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Just posting the 1861 for our reference (name mistranscribed)

SULLIVAN, Susannah Head Married F 35 1826 Take In Lodgers West Derby, Lancashire
SULLIVAN, Paul Son M 14 1847 Glass Works France
SULLIVAN, Mary Daughter F 6 1855 St Helens, Lancashire
SULLIVAN, Cornelius Son M 3 1858 St Helens, Lancashire

Piece: 2750 Folio: 40 Page: 1
Registration District: Prescot
Civil Parish: Eccleston

Address: 39, Eccleston Street, Eccleston, St Helens County: Lancashire

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Household transcription
1911 census

Person: CANNON, Paul
Address: 20 Bird St Ince

CANNON, Paul J Married M 65 1846 Labourer Above Ground Colliery France VIEW
CANNON, Sarah Ann Wife Married36 years F 54 1857 St Helens Lancs VIEW
CANNON, Susanann Daughter Married4 years F 27 1884 Pit Brow Lass Screener St Helens Lancs VIEW
CANNON, Annie Daughter Single F 20 1891 Pit Brow Lass Screener St Helens Lancs VIEW
PENNINGTON, Mary Ellen Daughter Married F 24 1887 None St Helens Lancs VIEW
PENNINGTON, Daniel Son In Law Married M 25 1886 Coal Miner Hewer Ince Lancs VIEW
PENNINGTON, Martha Gran Child Married F 3 1908 Ince Lancs VIEW
PENNINGTON, Sarah Ann Gran Child F 2 1909 Ince Lancs VIEW
RG number: RG14
Piece: 23048
Reference: RG14PN23048 RG78PN1346 RD458 SD4 ED33 SN190
Registration District: Wigan
Sub District: Hindley
Enumeration District: 33
Parish: Ince in Makerfield
Address: 20 Bird St Ince
County: Lancashire
(11 children born, 3 living, 7 had died)


Paul does not have the middle initial "J" on the image.

Just for perspective, a tree on Ancestry has Peter & Susannah's marriage certificate.

They married 16 July 1855 in the Chapel of Farnworth in Prescot.

Peter Gullavin age 20, a labourer as was his father John.

Susannah Cannon age 25, her father John Cannon was also a labourer.

Neither had been married before and both stated as living Widnes.

Witnesses: Elizabeth Cannon and Robert Henderson ??
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So, Peter was way too young to be Paul's father. Paul would have been born a Cannon which is reflected in the census already posted.

In 1891 Paul is named as Pat born Ireland. He is a collier at this time.

He married Sarah Ann Lyon in Prescot RD in 1876

1891 census transcription details for: 58, Glover Street, Eccleston, St Helens


National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 3022
Folio: 125
Page: 61
Reg. District: Prescot
Sub District: St Helens
Parish: Eccleston
Enum. District: 20
Ecclesiastical District: St Thomas
City/Municipal Borough: St Helens
Address: 58, Glover Street, Eccleston, St Helens
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
ROBINSON, Charles Head Married M 32 1859 Chemical Labourer
Appleton, Yorkshire
ROBINSON, Mary Wife Married F 31 1860
Ireland
ROBINSON, Anne Daughter F 7 1884 Scholar
Eccleston, Lancashire
ROBINSON, Ellen Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar
Eccleston, Lancashire
ROBINSON, John Son M 3 1888
Eccleston, Lancashire
CANNON, Pat Boarder Married M 43 1848 Collier
Ireland
CANNON, Sarah Ann Married F 34 1857
St Helens, Lancashire
CANNON, John Boarder M 14 1877 Scholar
St Helens, Lancashire
CANNON, Susan Boarder F 7 1884 Scholar
St Helens, Lancashire
CANNON, Mary Ellen F 4 1887 Scholar
St Helens, Lancashire
CANNON, Peter M 2 1889
St Helens, Lancashire

Although "Susanann" has the surname Cannon in the 1911 census, it states she is married..........so maybe?

Marriages Jun 1907 (>99%)
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BURCHALL John Wigan 8c 61
CANNON Susan Wigan 8c 61
HUMPHREYS Lucy Wigan 8c 61
MCDONALD John Wigan 8c 61
MCDONALD John J Wigan 8c 61

There does nor appear to be any births for.......

Burchell/Cannon or Mcdonald/Cannon

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Peter Cannon Name: Peter Cannon
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1907
Age at Death: 17
Registration District: Wigan
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 8c
Page: 56

Flip's hit:
1910 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/M54V-9HJ

Magnify 4 clicks, then save image:
http://archive.org/stream/13thcensus1910po939unit#page/n989/mode/1up
[addy=14 Reed Ave, Lackawanna, Erie NY]

Re the marriage posted by PH - Lancs BMD shows Susan Cannon married John McDonald at Christ Church, Ince.

Same church as marriage for Daniel Pennington/Mary Ellen Cannon

wonder why would change to step mothers maiden name, maybe cornelius did the same ,

Surely Paul is Susannah's son born before her marriage? Peter Gullivan would have been 12 when he Paul was born, so highly unlikely to be his father.

The only census to record Paul's name as Gullivan was 1861, probably because that was his mothers name by then, he was more likely to have been born as Cannon.

I think maybe that Paul would have been born as Cannon and not Gullivan.
I assumed that he was Susannah's son born 7 - 8 years before she married.
I can't find a baptism record for him in France or Ireland.
There is no reason why Cornelius would change his name as he was born a Gullivan after Susannah's marriage.

Snap Flip!

thank you every one,

still searching for cornelius after 1891 and peter (father) after 1861
cant work out how/why paul would have been born in france.--
have search france, usa, canada, uk, and ireland but not found them,

Have you found Peter in 1861 - he's not with Susannah?

When Susannah Cannon and Peter Gullavin married 1855 he was stated as a labourer from Widnes.

When daughter Mary married William Garner on 20 May 1872 at Low House Chapel in St Helen's her father Peter Gullivan is listed as a plasterer. She lived Eccleston Street.

On both marriages one of the witnesses was an Elizabeth Cannon/Canning - could that be Susannah's mother?

On both certificates all parties made their "x" so wouldn't know if their names were spelled correctly.

(Info from certificates on Ancestry/Mundia tree).

Not sure MC, there are too many Elizabeth Cannons around, their mother, but a younger sister for Susannah and a niece:

Cornelius Cannon
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1829
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: West Derby; Lancaster
Civil Parish: Eccleston and Prescot
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: St Helen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration District: Prescot
Sub-registration District: St Helens
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Schedule Number: 131
Piece: 2750
Folio: 15
Page Number: 24
Household Members:
Name Age
Cornelius Cannon 32
Elizabeth Cannon 24 (sister)
Margaret Cannon 20 (sister)
Elizabeth Cannon 9 Months (niece)

all the above is the family i am hunting for
elizabeth cannon/ canning nee brash is her mother.

havent found peter gullivan, just know that on 1861 census he is not with them, interesting that he is a plasterer in 1872 and not listed as deceased? so he should be on the 1871 census.


thank you all

I haven't managed to find anything on Peter other than the 1855 marriage (and his name on daughter's marriage). He doesn't appear to be on any census, nor can I see a death (E&W) nor anything on passenger lists, unless someone else has found anything?

There's a workhouse admission in Manchester, 1908 on family search, may be worth checking out on FMP to view the image (Cornelius Cannon, no age given)

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KDGS-HM9

will go to library and search through some of the records there, thanks everyone