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Hi Jackie,

So sorry that you are having problems at the moment !

When you are feeling able and wish to continue, please add a message to bump up this thread so that we can see all the info that we have already found and we will be very happy to help you continue.

Hope things improve for you soon,

Very best wishes,

Dea Xxx

P.S. - You will be able to find this thread when you need it by looking under 'My Threads' to the left of the board, under 'Tools' - It will always be there.

Dea x

Sorry ladies, thankyou so much for your help so far, I am sure that the marriage in 1860 is correct and have the marriage cert, his father Richard William and hers David Lewis. However, I cannot continue with this at present as I have a few family things to sort out, so will have to leave this for the time being.
When I am able, perhaps we can liase again.
Thankyou for being so helpful and giving me so much of your time, it really is appreciated, but, I really cannot focus on this at the moment.
Kind regards
Jackie :-)

I am going to leave it until Jackie comes back with some more info as, if she is sure that marriage in 1860 is 'her' couple, then the ones followed before are incorrect.

See you later,

Dea x

Can you find the above Richard Hales (Brush Maker) in the 1861 census??

I changed it earlier this year to read............

If i don't see you in the spring...........i will see you on the mattress!! :-D :-D :-D

I obviously typed it in wrong when i changed it back!

;-) :-D

You know that I don't like to criticise people on their spelling, punctuation or typo's etc. - it can appear very petty ! ;-) :-D :-D

Dea Xxx

P.S. - the ' i ' should, of course, be a capital ' I '.......... :-D :-D <3

Dea Xxx

Well why didn''t you tell me then!!! :-|

:-D :-D

OOhh Prickles - I see that you have corrected the bit at the bottom of your threads :-D:

"If i don't see you through the week............I will see you through the window."

There used to be a word missing from this and it has been irritating me for months and months now - I have just noticed that you have put it right ;-) :-D :-D

Dea Xxx

Is this the Sarah and Richard you are referring to??

??

1871 England Census about Sarah Hales
Name Sarah Hales
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1841
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Richard Halls
Gender:Female
Where born:Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish:St Anne Hoxton
County/Island:London
Country:England
Registration District:Shoreditch
Sub-registration District: Hoxton Old Town
ED, institution, or vessel:7
Household Schedule Number:94
Piece:455
Folio:12
Page Number:17
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Halls 38 (Brush Maker) Born Spitalfields
Sarah Hales 30 (Brush Drawer)
Richard Hales 13
Elizabeth Hales 6
James Hales 4
Eliza Hales 2
Thomas Hales 2


1881 England Census about Sarah Hales
Name: Sarah Hales
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Richard Hales
Gender: Female
Where born: Bermondsey, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: Shoreditch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 24 Francis St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Brush Drawer
Registration District: Shoreditch
Sub-registration District: Hoxton Old Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 399
Folio: 89
Page Number: 46
Household Members:
Name Age
Richard Hales 47 (Brush Maker) Born Shoreditch
Sarah Hales 43 (Brush Drawer)
Elizabeth Hales 14
Hester Hales 12
George W. Hales 9

Will look forward to it Jackie............

Dea Xxx

Okeydoke.

Prickles.

Hi again,

Just looked a little closer and yes I can give you more info on this, but have to go out in 5 mins, so when I get back I will tell you where I am coming from, maybe have been going in wrong direction
Thanks again Jackie

Hi Prickly Holly/Dea and safc,
Thankyou for this info, it looks very interesting and could answer a lot of questions, I am sorry, not been on since Monday, so late in my reply.
I know a great deal of mis spelling went on, but, I would never have thought of this one and it does look good.
Sarah was born c1841 in Bermondsey and married Richard in march qtr of 1860 in Greenwich, that is all I had to start this thread.
Thankyou again for all your time and help.
Kind regards
Jackie :-D

Thank you Prickles - we just need to have more info from Jackie ;-) :-D

Dea Xxx

Well spotted Dea.

Prickles.

Of course, what we need to know before we go any further is how Jackie has worked her way back !

There are obviously two different Richard William's here - we have to find which one we should be following !!

Dea x

Richard J Ayles, "England and Wales Census, 1871"
Name: Richard J Ayles
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Male
Age: 33
Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Birthplace: Bermondsey, Surrey
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: St Olave (not on list)
Sub-District: Rotherhithe (not on list)
Parish: St Mary Rotherhithe
County: London, Surrey
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self Richard J Ayles M 33 Bermondsey, Surrey
Wife Susannah Ayles F 33 Poplar, Middlesex
Daughter Frances Ayles F 9 Surrey
Son Richd Wm Ayles M 7 Surrey
Daughter Emily Ayles F 4 Surrey
Son Charles Ayles M 3 Surrey
Daughter Eliza Ayles F 4 Rotherhithe, Surrey
Son David Ayles M 1 Rotherhithe, Surrey
Grandfather Richard Wm Ayles M 64 Rotherhithe, Surrey

Ahh this is them on 1871 -!!

1871 England Census about Eliza Ayles
Name: Eliza Ayles
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Richd J Ayles
Mother's Name: Susanah Ayles
Gender: Female
Where born: Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Rotherhithe
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration District: St Olave Southwark
Sub-registration District: Rotherhithe
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household Schedule Number: 160
Piece: 642
Folio: 19
Page Number: 32
Household Members:
Name Age
Richd J Ayles 33 Barge builder
Susanah Ayles 33 (It doesn't say Susanah !!! ? Sarah Elizabeth ??)_
Frances Ayles 9
Bocks Wm Ayles 7
Emily Ayles 6
Charles Ayles 3
Eliza Ayles 4
David Ayles 1
Richard Wm Ayles 64 Shipwright



Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 642; Folio: 19; Page: 32; GSU roll: 818934.

SO - this is NOT the same Richard William (Excise Officer) who we have posted on page one of this thread.

That marriage in 1860 is not of the son of the family we started with !

Dea x

????

Sarah A Ayles in household of Richd J Ayles, "England and Wales Census, 1881"
Name: Sarah A Ayles
Age (Original): 41
Gender: Female
Birth Year: 1840
Birthplace: Poplar, Middlesex, England
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Occupation:
Address: 2 Paxtons Alley Rotherhithe St
Event Place: Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Disability:
Record Type: Household
GS Film number: 1341131
Affiliate Publication Number: RG11
Piece/Folio: 575 / 19
Page Number: 32
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Head Richd J Ayles M 42 Rotherhithe, Surrey, England
Wife Sarah A Ayles F 41 Poplar, Middlesex, England
Son Richd A Ayles M 17 Rothe, Surrey, England
Daughter Eliza Ayles F 14 Rothe, Surrey, England
Son David Ayles M 11 Rothe, Surrey, England
Son Charles Ayles M 12 Rothe, Surrey, England
Daughter Ellen Ayles F 9 Rothe, Surrey, England
Son Edward Ayles M 8 Rothe, Surrey, England

Prickles - Have you noticed on that 1860 marriage cert Richard James seemes to have signed with the surname AYLES ??

He does write quite well but I suppose someone may have taught him to sign his name who couldn't spell?? but I wonder if was him who got it wrong or the vicar ?

I can't seem to trace him on a census.

Dea x