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The name change theory is looking more and more likely. I am not surprised given the number of variants. From this thread alone I have copied - Mackelword Mackelwroth Mackelroth Mackelwrouth Mackelworth MacKlesworth Machlesworth Macrelworth.

There are even more in my other thread in General Chat.

Thank you everyone for your massive efforts in this.

mick

I think these may have been sent or posted before but just adding them in case...lol I think I have lost the plot rather...I have spent sometime looking for Jessie who I am SURE I saw something about last night, and now cannot find :-(

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Sarah Machlesworth
Name: Sarah Machlesworth
[Sarah Macklesworth] 
[Sarah Ann Mackelwrouth] 
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897
Age: 21
Spouse Name: Maurice Geoffrey Tomsett
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Dec 1918
Parish: Haggerston St Augustine
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: William Machlesworth
Spouse Father Name: Edwin Tomsett
Register Type: Parish Register



Name: William John Macrelworth
[William John MacKelworth] 
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Age: 25
Spouse Name: Lily Andrews
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 11 Jun 1916
Parish: Bethnal Green St James the Less
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: William John Macrelworth
Spouse Father Name: Charles Andrews
Register Type: Parish Register

Yep that is definately Sarah their daughter.

Still no success in finding the parents. I am more convinced they must of died now, even if the father wasn't put as deceased on the marriages of his children.

It might be worth ordering the death cert to the Sarah above somewhere, that some e posted, to at least rule out. You should be able to confirm by informant.

CS

Your 0320 of today shows the family Wooding. My grandfather Charles' military record shows his next of kin as "Sister Mrs Wooding 219 (or 269) Old Ford Road Bow". This was on a Military History sheet started 16/12/1902. The next of kin hadn't been amended so that date is pretty certain.

this could be William and Sister Jessie (as Sophie) in 1881

Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 7 Gossett Street
Registration District: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration District: Bethnal Town
ED, institution, or vessel: 17

Piece: 433
Folio: 80
Page Number: 7

William Mackintosh 19
Sophia Mackintosh 14
Henry Sands 18

I think this is Walter in 1901

Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Simon Zelotes
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration District: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration District: Bethnal Green, East
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Household Schedule Number: 325
Piece: 296
Folio: 55
Page Number: 48

Walter Mackelword 45
Robert Mackelword 9

Walter is with his brother John and wife Sarah in 1881

as is brothers Robert and Charles and sister Elizabeth

in 1891 Walter is still with his brother

Walter dies in 1936 in Poplar, but havent found him after 1891 yet

this is John and Sarah's daughter Mary Ann in 1881

Civil Parish: Bow
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 48A Hewlett Road
Registration District: Poplar
Sub-registration District: Bow
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Piece: 490
Folio: 119
Page Number: 16

Charles Richard Gibbs 28
Mary Ann Gibbs 25
Charles John Gibbs 5
Robert Gibbs 4
Mary Ann F. Gibbs 2
Lilly Gibbs 1

she marries in 1874 - names as Mary Ann Mackelwroth

Mary and Charles are witnesses to Mary's sister Sarah (aboves) wedding in 1876

this is John and Sarahs's daughter Sarah (born about 1852 in Finsbury) in the 1881 census

Civil Parish: Bow
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 29 Wyke Road
Condition as to marriage: Married
Registration District: Poplar
Sub-registration District: Bow
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Piece: 493
Folio: 84
Page Number: 45

Joseph Wooding 30
Sarah E. Wooding 29
Sarah E. Wooding 3
Alice J. Wooding 2
Joseph Wooding 1

she marries in 1876 as Sarah Elizabeth Mackelroth

John and Sarahs son Robert marries in 1883, he doesnt states his father as deceased on his marriage cert, occupation is cigar maker still.

their son William marries in 1890 and he also doesnt list his father as deceased for marriage cert. Occupation still down as cigar maker. - surname Mackelwrouth

Only trouble is, they may just not of stated he was deceased.

has anyone located John and Sarah's daughter - Jessie?

I can't find her after 1871 either, so perhaps she is wherever her parents are.

Just having a look for any Mackelworths on the 1841, and notice a lot of faded pages for Bethnal Green which are too faint to read.

Celtic Shiv, there's a couple of Sarah's , one is likely to be the wife of Joshua, but may be the 1881 death ?

Deaths Jun 1874 (>99%)
MACKERETH
Sarah 42 Islington 1b 215

Deaths Sep 1881 (>99%)
Mackereth Joshua 50 St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 264a

Deaths Dec 1881 (>99%)
Mackereth Sarah 47 Westminster 1a 345

the death for Sarah Mackereth is likely to be this one from 1871

Name: Sarah Mackereth
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joshua Mackereth
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England
Civil Parish: St Anne Soho
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration District: Westminster
Sub-registration District: St Anne Soho
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household Schedule Number: 57
Piece: 146
Folio: 57
Page Number: 10

Islington is up City Road from Bethnal Green and next to Hackney geographically. The name is a stretch but then most of the variations we have had have been dodgy and one or two quite outrageous.

The age is close and it is between 1871 and 1881. Hmmm...

With all the varitios in the name.....




England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915
about Sarah Mackereth
Name:
Sarah Mackereth
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1832
Date of Registration:Apr-May-Jun 1874
Age at Death:42
Registration District:Islington
Inferred County:London
Volume:1b
Page:215



Andy

Military records for my grandfather Charles, the son of the missing John and Sarah, show his mother and father dead in 1902 and a sister as next of kin. In the earliest military record I have (at the moment I haven't looked through them all) his 1889 attestation shows brother Robert as next of kin.

So more suggestions that they might have died?

Looking at the image of the Notley/Mackelworth marriage record:

Sarah was a minor at the time, and her father was William, an engineer.

According to the census records, she was born in Harwich, Essex.

Still can't find her, nor her father.

coincidence?

Name: John Joseph McCalruth might be Mccalroth?
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 22 Dec 1871
Father's Name: John William McCalruth
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann McCalruth
Parish or Poor Law Union: Bethnal Green St James the Great
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Registers

looks like they registered the birth After the baptism?

On page 2, CelticShiv asked about ScotlandsPeople.

No, they're not there, neither in censuses nor deaths, searching for variant spellings.