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I've looked at US, Canada, Australia and trawled passenger lists without anything. Anyone else got any ideas??

Andy

Andy, going back a bit...

John married to Sarah Notley in 1851, father Robert... was Robert ever found on one of the census? I looked for so long last night I can't remember if he was found....

RR, no I don't think he was.

Andy

Just for the record, have checked out this marriage. no joy.


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
about Sarah Elizabeth Mackelroth
Name:Sarah Elizabeth Mackelroth
Date of Registration:
Apr-May-Jun 1876
Registration District:Hackney
Inferred County:London
Volume Number:1b
Page Number:753
Records on Page
Name

Harriet Lucans Adams
Harriet Lucena Adams
Sarah Elizabeth Mackelroth
Robert Michael
>>>>>>Joseph Wooding


Andy

Possible for John Snr Baptism

Father Robert is a tailor


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about John Mackelrath
Name:John Mackelrath
Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:15 Jun 1828
Father's Name:Robert Mackelrath
Mother's Name:Sarah Mackelrath
Parish or Poor Law Union:St George in the East
Borough:Tower Hamlets
Register Type:Parish Registers


Andy

Other possible siblings


Name:
Peter Mackelrath
Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:21 Apr 1822



Name:
Robert Mackleroth
Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:21 Apr 1816


Name:
Sarah Macklroth
Record Type:Baptism
Baptism Date:10 May 1840

Andy

Marriage for Robert and Sarah??


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Robert Mackrath
Name:Robert Mackrath
Spouse Name:Sarah Harman
Record Type:Marriage
Event Date:9 Jan 1815
Parish:Whitechapel St Mary
Borough:Tower Hamlets
Register Type:Parish Register



Andy

I think we have all been going around in circles.

The trees on Ancestry do not know any more than is on here .

I also searched US and I live in OZ so here as well but nothing is jumping out at me .

I can see no obvious for travel either unless they changed there names :-(

Sue

Edit
Looked at that Marriage to Andrew No joy either .
The michael Marriage like wise :-|

Probably not going to help any but on this marriage cert

Name: Robert Mackelroth
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Age: 34
Spouse Name: Mary Ann Woodward
Spouse Age: 24
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 22 Nov 1852
Parish: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Robert Mackelroth
Spouse Father Name: John Woodward
Register Type: Parish Register

the witnesses are Peter and Amelia Mackelroth?

London, England, Land Tax Records, 1692-1932 about Peter Mackelroth
Tenant: Peter Mackelroth
Proprietor: Moses Adams
First Year of Section: 1800
Civil Parish or Ward: Manor of East Smithfield
Borough or County: Middlesex
Call Number: KR447/6

Sue, like you I can't see anything in America or in the travel records. I wonder if they have been so badly mis-transcribed that we simply can't find them in 1881. Maybe we should be looking for later deaths?

The only real constant is John's occupation - originally a tobacconist then a cigar maker - although not sure where that gets us.

Has anyone tried Scotland's people just incase they ended up there? As the deaths would most likely only be on Scotland's people.

Did anyone find the Sarah who married in 1876? To rule her out as his wife remarrying?

I have tried search using wild card m*l*h with no luck and also tried just Sarah Hutchinson incase a death appeared. But nothing.

Might be worth checking the deaths at sea indexes etc. as being a cigar maker it is likely he travelled.

Folks,
I am sorry i never referred to my original thread on General Chat. I was advised last night after I went to bed.

Thank you as ever RR for giving everyone the heads up. I am back in circulation after being away for over 12 hours!

Now I need to get to grips with the messages here :-D

Not so sure he must have travelled CelticShiv, his wife was a charwoman on the 1871 census - so maybe he just worked in a cigar making place. If he was an employer was his wife likely to be a charwoman? Just a thought :-S

Where was Sarah born? There is a John and Sarah Smith in the 1881 and 1891 census husbands occupation a tobacconist. Could they of changed surnames for some reason.

Need to see if they exist before 1881 to rule out.

edit: there is a son John with them in 1881, so that perhaps rules them out.

Ether way I think because they disappeared with no finding them elsewhere. A name Chang should perhaps be considered.

I am sure I found a likely match with different surnames last night, but can't find them again now, should of posted when I found them. Doh!!!

Just in case it comes in handy ?

8121-23 Alfred George PLUMER, 27, trimmer, London England, Echo Place, s/o Alfred George PLUMER (b. England) & Eleanor ROBINSON, married Maude Alexandra MACKELWORTH, 21, tailoress, London England, Echo Place, d/o Robert MACKELWORTH (b. England) & Mary Ann HARROLL, witn: Alfred Moir & Williamina NAISH? (March?) of Brantford, 6 Jan 1923 at Brantford <<<<<<<<

Ah just looked Brantford is in Canada?

Are you stuggling like me on the new ancestry searches CS? It is pretty useless, most of the functionality has gone.

Flip I always go back to the old search function. I hate the new search, misses so many possibilities.

If you click on search on the top just under ancestry.co.uk and then along the top right hand side, it should have an option to switch to old search.