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Doreen
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6 May 2013 08:38 |
Thank you all for your help I have marriage certificate,Witnesses hard to read looks like Edward Walker... Thomas Cooper.
Ann was born 1852 Pie Bridge,Derbyshire have been unable to find her father Robert Armeisson in any census.
Problem Armeisson as different spelling, not sure on birth date :(
Ann's mother did re marry Chris Jennison found information through genesreunited & LDS Cheers Doreen
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6 May 2013 10:06 |
I wonder if Robert actually existed? Mother Ann was consistent with her age and place of birth through the census 1861 onwards as was daughter Ann.
Can't find a birth registration for Mary (on 1861 census born Alfreton, Derbyshire), but Ann and Robert's birth tie in with their stated birth places. Maybe one of the certificates could confirm their parentage:
Births Sep 1853 (>99%) Harmeson Ann Belper 7b 363 X - this is a mis-transcription Harmeson Ann Belper 7b 383
Births Jun 1855 (>99%) Harmisson Robert Basford 7b 96
Now, that earlier christening I posted for Robert Armison in 1834, father Robert, mother Alice - they had 2 other children:
Mary Ann Armison Gender: Female Christening Date: 02 Sep 1832 Christening Place: RADFORD,NOTTINGHAM,ENGLAND Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name: Robert Armison Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Alice Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C04664-1 System Origin: England-ODM GS Film number: 504529, 504530, 504531
And William, ch 14/10/1827, Radford.
I wonder if this could be your Ann, not married when the children were born?? Could do with finding the family on a census to cross check.
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Choccy
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6 May 2013 10:44 |
this looks like Ann and daughter Mary in 1851
1851
RG number: HO107 Piece: 2145 Folio: 340 Page: 40 Reg. District: Belper Sub District: Alfreton Parish: Enum. District: 1 Ecclesiastical District: Alfreton City/Municipal Borough: Address: Outseats, Alfreton County: Derbyshire
BLACKSHAW, James Head Married M 32 1819 Tailor Rolleston, Staffordshire BLACKSHAW, Eliza Wife Married F 27 1824 Shop Keeper Higham, Derbyshire >>>>>HARMELIASON, Ann Visitor Married F 29 1822 Seamstress Eastwood, Nottinghamshire >>>>>HARMELIASON, Mary Visitor F 0 (1 MOS) 1851 Alfreton, Derbyshire FROST, Ann Sister-In-Law F 7 1844 Scholar Alfreton, Derbyshire FROST, Ellen Sister-In-Law F 5 1846 Scholar Alfreton, Derbyshire
Births Mar 1851
HARMELISSON Mary Belper 19 481
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6 May 2013 10:52 |
???
2 possibles
Marriages Sep 1842 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>ARMISON Robert Basford 15 501 EDSON Mary Basford 15 501 >>>>>HOLMES Ann Basford 15 501 JOHNSON Nathan Basford 15 501 LADDTHORPE Sarah Basford 15 501 PECK Leonard Basford 15 501 >>>>>SIMONS Ann Basford 15 501 THORPE Sarah Ladd Basford 15 501 TOMLINSON Noah Basford 15 501
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6 May 2013 10:53 |
Just posting 1871 for info, and query re the grandchild:
Ann Armeson [Ann Jennison] Age: 17 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Christopher Jennison Mother's Name: Ann Jennison Gender: Female Where born: Pye Bidge, Derbyshire, England Civil parish: Eastwood Town: Eastwood County/Island: Nottinghamshire Country: England Registration district: Basford Sub-registration district: Greasley ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 157 Piece: 3477 Folio: 16 Page Number: 29 Household Members: Name Age Christopher Jennison 40 Ann Jennison 37 Robert Armeson 16 John Thos Jennison 13 Ann Armeson 17 Elizabeth Jennison 9 Margaret Jennison 3 James Jennison 1 Alice Jennison 1 Month <<mis-transcribed.
Alice is Armeson not Jennison, and I think the image state 1 year not 1 month. Maybe someone else could take a look. She could be the daughter of Ann or Mary.
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6 May 2013 10:55 |
Trouble is Choccy, she is quite consistent with her age in later census - and would be too young for that marriage.
Added: although that 1851 census looks pretty good for them. I found Mary in 1871 back in Derbyshire, will take another look see if I can find it again.
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6 May 2013 11:05 |
Ann and Mary 'fit' with the 1861 census posted (as to birth places) other than Ann's age. Could she have 'knocked off' a few years to be nearer to the age of second 'husband'? :-(
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6 May 2013 11:13 |
1871 - definitely says 1 year old - Alice Armeson
would imagine Alice is Mary's daughter
1881
RG number: RG11 Piece: 3362 Folio: 71 Page: 57 Reg. District: Nottingham Sub District: Exchange Parish: Nottingham St Mary Enum. District: Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: 5, Hartford St, Nottingham St Mary County: Nottinghamshire
MARSH, Robert Head Married M 32 1849 Machine Fitter At Works (Spinner & C) Nottingham NELSON, Mary Visitor Married F 30 1851 Lace Hand Alfreton, Derbyshire ARMISON, Alice Visitor Single F 12 1869 Scholar Eastwood, Nottinghamshire
Marriages Jun 1873 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>ARMESON Mary Basford 7b 212 King Eliza Basford 7b 212 >>>>>NELSON Charles Basford 7b 212 Slack Thomas Basford 7b 212
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6 May 2013 11:34 |
So Alice is Mary's daughter, and I think this may explain why Ann went to Yorkshire and appears to have died there:
Frederick George Bendig Age in 1911: 46 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Manchester, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Bradford County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding Country: England Street Address: 49 Marshall Street Marital Status: Married Occupation: Woolcombing Machine Hand Registration district: Bradford Registration District Number: 498 Sub-registration district: Horton ED, institution, or vessel: 31 Piece: 26841 Household Members: Name Age Frederick George Bendig 46 Edward Bendig 6 Mary Nelson 60 (states grandmother) Alice Bendig 42 Ernest Bendig 22 Frederick George Bendig 17 William Bendig 14 Alice Bendig 12 Aurther Bendig 11 Harold Bendig 8
All children born in Bradford, Mary Nelson Afreton, Alice in Eastwood.
Added, there was no father stated on Alice's marriage in Bradford 1888.
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6 May 2013 11:50 |
Ann Jennison Age: 47 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834 Relation: Head Gender: Female Where born: Eastwood, Nottinghamshire, England Civil parish: Bowling County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address: 8 Lancaster Street Condition as to marriage: Windower (Widower) Education:
Employment status:
View image Occupation: Laundress Registration district: Bradford Sub-registration district: Bowling ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4438 Folio: 76 Page Number: 16 Household Members: Name Age Ann Jennison 47 Margaret Jennison 13 James Jennison 11
Deaths Dec 1884 (>99%) JENNISON Ann 51 Bradford Y. 9b 42
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6 May 2013 12:45 |
Don't think we can get any further with this without one of her children's birth certificates, or one of Mary or Robert's marriage certificates to see if the father is named - although both could name Robert if that was what they were led to believe
At least one of their birth certs would also give mothers maiden name, and confirm or disprove whether the mother was married to Robert, and at least if she was married then it would give a lead in finding her in 1841 under her maiden name.
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