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I got it!
My Grandfather was William Owen. Now i am going to try and get his death certificate too just to see if I can gleam anymore info.
Thanks so much Dea and Patchem. Good work!!!
xxxx :-)

Many thanks for the update Alex - it looks like we have proved it all to be correct.

Do let us know when you get that birth cert.

Dea Xxx

Thanks for keeping us updated.

Still waiting for Mum's birth certificate but did receive a copy of Nathan Boardman's will today. Guess what..he mentions Elizabeth Ann Owen.....but also...his nephew...William!!!!! He is down as William Boardman and this will is dated 1931. That must mean my Grandfather was William Boardman? No reference to Mum or her sister or brother though. He also mentions Hannah Lythgoe (sister?) and Sarah Ann Jones (sister?). Maude was an executor. The estate was passed to Maude (sister) and William Henry (brother?).
I tried to get mum's birth certificate using "James Owen" as her Dad. The results came back "nil". So I have reapplied leaving her Mum and Dad's names blank. Will let you know what comes back.

Thanks for that Jude. x

Alex

This is the link...

http://www.justice.gov.uk/courts/probate/family-history

download form PA1S...it costs £6.00 and if there is a will they will send you a copy...

Jude

HeyJudeB4Beatles
I guess if Nathan left a will, it could have gone to my Grandfather and then there would be details about him? How do i find out if he did leave one?

Thanks Dea. Will do. As for siblings....Mum's sister and brother stayed in 26 St Georges Ave. all their lives. They did not have kids and both are dead. All possible history was taken by the cleaner as I explained before, she got the house (I tried to get historical items from the cleaner but got nothing-I was so bitter about that). I was close to my Uncle and Aunt but again, I never got to talk about the family. My big regret.

I'd see if Nathan left a will as well :-)

Thanks for the info from the marriage cert Alex.

I think this will have to remain one of life's little mysteries but it is obvious from the info you have that we have found the correct family in the Boardman's.

Just why she put down James as her father instead of William I really do not know!

Do you think she may have been brought up by her grandparents and so looked upon James as more of a 'father figure' ? Maybe she did not want William's name on the cert.? Maybe he was 'known as' James and she didn't know any better?

Are any of her siblings still around to ask?

Anyway, when her birth cert arrives perhaps it might give us a clue, or at least confirm that her father was William.

DO let us know when you receive it.

Dea x

Just found a paper cutting in the autograph book.
8th November 1931:
Nathan Higginson Boardman( "Hazelwood,Hawley Lane,Hale,Cheshire): 61st year. Interred at Flixton Church on Wednesday 11th November

Mum's marriage certificate:

St Andrews church,Cleveleys (registration District=The Fyldes)
12/9/1942 Reginald Pollard Pohlmann,Sergeant RAF, 138 The Green,Saville Park,Halifax. Dad=Henry Edward Pohlmann (piano manufacturer-I have this family tree!)
Mary Owen,Telephonist NFS, 26 St Georges Ave,Cleveleys. Dad=James Owen,Wholesale Fruit Merchant.
Witness: Basil Fuch,Margaret Owen (Mum's Sister) and Margaret Elizabeth Pohlmann (Dad's sister)
Vicar= R.F. Hurst. Entry no. 231

Also I got the entry in Mum's autograph book wrong. There are entries from N.Boardman (a poem) and M Boardman (a poem). The Canadian entry is from a cousin who says he has never seen Mum. Name: Harold H. New Westminster BC, Canada. Entry dated November 21 1928. Also an entry from "Auntie" again from Canada,21/1928. Then there is a more significant entry from a Catherine Owen (a poem). Signed Catherine Owen, Bold. 16/6/1934.

You DO have the correct death for Maude in 1961 Patchem...

Boardman, Maude of Nythfa Mountaibn Lane Penmaenmawr
Carnarvonshire spinster died 15th August 1961 at the General
Hospital Llandudno Carnarvonshire. Probate Manchester 22nd
November to Sidney Clayton Breakwell solicitor.
Effects £11660 12s.

By the way, Nathan's 'little nest egg' which he left in 1931, (£21670 2s. 7d.),
by today's value this would be around 3/4 million !!!

Dea x

Hi Patchem - just reading through all you have found while I have been asleep ;-) :-)

Like you, I too am still wondering why Alex's mum named her father as James on her marriage cert ? Although the address card for Maud Boardman and the other details Alex has do seem to confirm that this IS the correct family.

Alex - could you give us ALL the details from that marriage cert please, - names, ages, occupations, addresses and witnesses etc.

If she didn't get on with her father, perhaps she just decided to name her grandfather instead?? - I would just like to try to 'tie up' this little loose end ;-)

Dea Xxx

There are quite a few people wiith Boardmans from Urmston in their trees on here. It is always worth trying to make contact.

Sorry, ancestry still not letting me see the images
1841 England Census
William Boardman Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801
Gender: Male Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Flixton Hundred: Salford County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Barton upon Irwell and Worsley Sub-registration district: Flixton
Piece: 543 Book: 16 Folio: 15 Page Number: 24
William Boardman 40
Ann Boardman 30
Hannah Boardman 4
Ellen Boardman 2
William Boardman 2weeks
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 543; Book: 16; Civil Parish: Flixton; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 6; Folio: 15; Page: 24; Line: 1; GSU roll: 306927.

1911 England Census
William Boardman Age in 1911: 69 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Urmston, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Hale County/Island: Cheshire Country: England
Street Address: Hazelwood, Hawley Lane, Hale
Marital Status: Widowed Occupation: No Occupation Registration district: Bucklow
Registration District Number: 445 Sub-registration district: Altrincham
ED, institution, or vessel: 19 Piece: 21542
William Boardman 69
Natham H Boardman 38
Sarah A Boardman 28
Maude Boardman 26
Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 21542.

1871 England Census
William Boardman Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Boardman
Gender: Male
Where born: Urmston, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Urmston Ecclesiastical parish: St Clement
Town: Urmston County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Barton Upon Irwell Sub-registration district: Stretford
ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Household schedule number: 85 Piece: 3972
Folio: 134 Page Number: 20
William Boardman 29
Elizabeth Boardman 26
Elizabeth Boardman 6
Mary E Boardman 4
William Boardman 3
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3972; Folio: 134; Page: 20; GSU roll: 846086.

1861 England Census
William Boardman Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Boardman Mother's Name: Ann Boardman
Gender: Male Where born: Urmston, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Urmston Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Lancashire Country: England
Registration district: Barton Upon Irwell
Sub-registration district: Stretford
ED, institution, or vessel: 10 household schedule number: 121 Piece: 2866 Folio: 102 Page Number: 23
William Boardman 62
Ann Boardman 54
Hannah Boardman 20
Ellen Boardman 22
William Boardman 19
Joseph Boardman 17
Robert Boardman 15
Elizabeth Boardman 12
John Boardman 12
Samuel Boardman 10
Henry Boardman 1
Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 2866; Folio: 102; Page: 23; GSU roll: 543041.

1851 England Census
William Boardman Age: 9 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Boardman
Mother's Name: Ann Boardman
Gender: M (Male) Where born: Urmston, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Urmston County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Barton Upon Irwell Sub-registration district: Barton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Household schedule number: 108 Piece: 2218
Folio: 450 Page Number: 30
William Boardman 52 Stretford Lancashire
Ann Boardman 44
Hannah Boardman 14
Ellen Boardman 12
William Boardman 9
Joseph Boardman 8
Robert Boardman 5
John Boardman 2
Elizabeth Boardman 2
Samuel Boardman 10 Mo
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2218; Folio: 450; Page: 30; GSU roll: 87228.

Sally is another variant of Sarah apparently. My mum had an 'Aunt Sal' who was actually Sarah. :-)

Age wrong:
Maud Boardman
Birth Date: abt 1882
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1961
Age at Death: 79
Registration district: Conway
Inferred County: Caernarvonshire
Volume: 8a
Page: 121

Sorry, cannot read image, ancestry having a mal-function.

Maud Boardman
Baptism Date: 9 Mar 1879
Parish: Urmston, St Clement
Parish as it Appears: Urmston
Father's Name: William Boardman gardener
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Wayland Boardman (NO Margaret)
Reference Number: L135/1/1/1
Item Number: 4
Archive Roll: 936