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Michael
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29 Apr 2013 21:22 |
Could anyone help me find some information on my great-grandfather?
Despite having such a distinctive name, he has proved quite a difficult character to find any records on. Here's what we already know:
- He was from the Norfolk area. - He was born c1880. - He married Fanny Keymer (my great-grandmother) in 1904, but she died in 1909 when my grandfather (Gayford Seaman) was about 4 years old.
- We believe he then remarried, to a woman named Marjorie, though we can't find any marriage records on this. Possibly in 1909. - We also believe that he served in the Navy, and may have obtained a reasonably high rank. - The circumstances surrounding his death are mysterious and shrouded in rumour and I am particularly interested in finding out what happened to him. It is possible that he may have died at sea in c1942, ending his own life after sustaining a terrible injury.
Thank you for your help. Michael.
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GlitterBaby
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29 Apr 2013 21:25 |
1911 not a lot of help
Name: Gayford Seaman Age in 1911: 5 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1906 Relation to Head: Grandson Gender: Male Birth Place: Norwich, Norfolk Civil parish: Gorleston County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Street Address: 67 High Street, Gorleston Registration district: Yarmouth Registration District Number: 219 Sub-registration district: Gorleston ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 275 Piece: 11096 Household Members: Name Age Philip J C Keymer 73 Mary Ann Keymer 72 Sarah Howard Keymer 36 Robert Keymer 32 Gayford Seaman 5
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Astra
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29 Apr 2013 21:25 |
With his parents in 1891
1891 England Census Name: Marmaduke Seaman Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884 Relation: Son Parent's Name: Catherine Seaman Gender: Male Where born: Poringland, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Bixley Ecclesiastical parish: Bixley Town: Bixley County/Island: Norfolk Registration district: Henstead Sub-registration district: Henstead ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Neighbors: Piece: 1537 Folio: 75 Page Number: 11 Household Members: Name Age Catherine Seaman 30 William Seaman 10 Marmaduke Seaman 7 Mabel Seaman 6 Alfred Seaman 5 Minnie Watts 21
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GlitterBaby
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29 Apr 2013 21:27 |
Do you have the 1904 marriage cert as would be useful to know how he was when he married, his occupation and the name and occupation of his father
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GlitterBaby
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29 Apr 2013 21:31 |
1911 just posting while having a look around - but age is wrong
Name: George Marmaduke Seaman Age in 1911: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881 Relation to Head: Engine Room Artificer Birth Place: Norwich, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Mediterranean County/Island: Royal Navy Country: England Marital Status: Widowed Registration District Number: 640 ED, institution, or vessel: Vessels Piece: 34973
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Astra
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29 Apr 2013 21:32 |
His probate was granted to his widow Marjorie Amy and he also used the name George.
So this will be him in 1911
Name: George Marmaduke Seaman Age in 1911: 30 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881 Relation to Head: Engine Room Artificer Birth Place: Norwich, Norfolk, England Civil parish: Mediterranean County/Island: Royal Navy Country: England Marital Status: Widowed Registration District Number: 640 ED, institution, or vessel: Vessels Piece: 34973 Household Members:
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Astra
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29 Apr 2013 21:33 |
Name: George Marmaduke Seaman Probate Date: 21 Jan 1942 Death Date: 15 Mar 1941 Death Place: Norfolk, England Registry: Norwich
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GlitterBaby
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29 Apr 2013 21:39 |
Name: Marjorie Amy Seaman Birth Date: 25 Nov 1889 Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1980 Age at Death: 91 Registration district: Norwich Inferred County: Norfolk Volume: 10 Page: 1716
Not yet found a marriage
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Christina(Lancashire)
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29 Apr 2013 21:40 |
From the CWGC.....
SEAMAN, GEORGE MARMADUKE
Rank: Lieut-Commander (E) Date of Death: 15/03/1941 Age: 58 Regiment/Service: Royal Navy H.M.S. Lynx. Grave Reference Cemetery BIXLEY (ST. WANDREGESILUS) CHURCHYARD Additional Information: Son of William and Catherine Elizabeth Seaman; husband of Marjorie Amy Seaman, of Norwich.
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GlitterBaby
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29 Apr 2013 21:40 |
Have you purchased the 1941 death cert
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alviegal
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29 Apr 2013 21:40 |
His marriage??
Name: SEAMAN, George M Registration district: Medway County: Kent Year of registration: 1914 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Spouse's last name: Gifford Volume no: 2A Page no: 1606 Name: GIFFORD, Marjorie A Registration district: Medway County: Kent Year of registration: 1914 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Spouse's last name: Seaman Volume no: 2A Page no: 1606
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Astra
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29 Apr 2013 21:40 |
Civil Registration event: Marriage
PrintClose MarriageFinder: George M Seaman married Marjorie A Gifford Name: SEAMAN, George M Registration district: Medway County: Kent Year of registration: 1914 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Spouse's last name: Gifford Volume no: 2A Page no: 1606
Name: GIFFORD, Marjorie A Registration district: Medway County: Kent Year of registration: 1914 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Spouse's last name: Seaman Volume no: 2A Page no: 1606
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Michael
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29 Apr 2013 21:42 |
Thank you Glitter Berry and Astra :).
It's interesting to see that he used the name George, I wonder why?. My grandfather apparently never spoke much about him.
Unfortunately we have only so far been able to find a copy of his marriage record from 1904.
Thanks again.
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Michael
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29 Apr 2013 21:45 |
Thank you also to Alviegirl and Christina. Very interesting to see the military records.
We have not purchased his death certificate. How would we obtain it?
Thanks :)
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alviegal
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29 Apr 2013 21:49 |
Death???
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about George M Seaman Name: George M Seaman Birth Date: abt 1883 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1941 Age at Death: 58 Registration district: Norwich Outer Inferred County: Norfolk Volume: 4b Page: 317
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alviegal
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29 Apr 2013 21:52 |
Name Seaman, George Marmaduke. Date of Birth: 08 February 1881. Rank: Lieutenant Commander Engineer (Retired). ...
Admiralty: Officers' Service Records (Series III). ACTING ARTIFICER ENGINEER OFFICERS WARRANTS. Name Seaman, George Marmaduke. Date of Birth: 08 February 1881. Rank: Lieutenant Commander Engineer (Retired). Date of enrolment: 08 September 1913.
Collection: Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies Date range: 08 September 1913 - 08 September 1913 Reference:ADM 196/134/187 Subjects:Armed Forces (General), Navy Browse by hierarchy | Browse by reference
Name Seaman, George Marmaduke. Official Number: 270668. Place of Birth: Norwich, Norfolk. Date of Birth: ...
Admiralty: Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services. General series to 1907. Name Seaman, George Marmaduke. Official Number: 270668. Place of Birth: Norwich, Norfolk. Date of Birth: 08 February 1881.
Collection: Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies Date range: 01 January 1901 - 31 December 1901 Reference:ADM 188/434/270668 Subjects:Armed Forces (General), Navy
From http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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GlitterBaby
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29 Apr 2013 21:58 |
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
This is the site to order birth, marriage and death certs for England and Wales.
You need to register first. Cost is £9.25 per cert.
Do not use other sites as some charge as much as £30 per cert
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alviegal
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29 Apr 2013 21:59 |
Royal Navy Officers Medal Roll 1914-1920 Print Close
First Name(s):George Marmaduke
Last Name:SEAMAN
Rank:Artificer Engineer
Service:R.N.
Medals & Clasps earned:1914-15 Star, Victory & British War Medals
How Issued or disposed of:HMS Royal Oak.
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Christina(Lancashire)
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29 Apr 2013 22:01 |
Also from the CWGC.
Marmaduke's brother? Died in WW1
SEAMAN, WILLIAM
Rank: Engine Room Artificer 1st Class Service No: 1781/EA Date of Death: 20/05/1916 Age: 35 Regiment/Service: Royal Naval Reserve H.M.S, "Honeysuckle" Grave Reference In South-West part. Cemetery BIXLEY (ST. WANDREGESILUS) CHURCHYARD Additional Information: Son of William and Catherine Elizabeth Seaman.
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SylviaInCanada
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29 Apr 2013 22:02 |
Get the information on the death registration from ancestry (given you by alviegal above)
or from the free site, www.freebmd.org.uk .......................
Deaths Mar 1941 (>99%)
Seaman George M 58 Norwich Outer 4b 317
Then go to this site ...........
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/default.asp
you have to register, but it is free.
Follow the instructions on how to order a certificate.
When you are asked if you have the GRO registration number, say YES ...... it is the set of numbers at the end of the line (ie, 4b 317)
Only enter the information as given on the registration
Each certificate you order will cost £9.25, which included p&p
Repeat for every certificate that you want to buy
Good luck
sylvia
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