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21 Apr 2013 08:33 |
This looks like Florence Eva in 1891. The birth year and place for her mother (widow) Sarah Ann are completely wrong, but the household next door is a bricklayer called George James Williams. 1891 England Census Florence E Williams Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890 Relation: Daughter Mother's Name: Sarah Ann Williams Gender: Female Where born: Willesden, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Willesden Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Hendon Sub-registration district: Willesden ED, institution, or vessel: 2a Piece: 1042 Folio: 57 Page Number: 29 Sarah Ann Williams 32 Hartlepool, Durham, Maud O Williams 2 Florence E Williams 1 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1042; Folio: 57; Page: 29; GSU Roll: 6096152.
Added: ? Births Sep 1888 WILLIAMS Maud Susannah O Hendon 3a 164
Added: 1891 England Census George Jas Williams Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Emma Williams Gender: Male Where born: Merton, Surrey, England Civil parish: Willesden Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: Hendon Sub-registration district: Willesden ED, institution, or vessel: 2a Piece: 1042 Folio: 57 Page Number: 29 George Jas Williams 26 Emma Williams 29 George Edd Williams 9/12 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1042; Folio: 57; Page: 29; GSU Roll: 6096152.
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21 Apr 2013 08:43 |
This might be George's death: Deaths Jun 1890 Williams George 45 Hendon 3a 93
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21 Apr 2013 08:51 |
Think you've got them Pat, her birth reg 1889 Hendon:
Florence Eva Williams Record Type: Baptism Baptism Date: 17 May 1891 Father's Name: George Williams Mother's Name: Sarah Williams Parish or Poor Law Union: Willesden St Mary Borough: Brent Register Type: Parish Registers
Address 5 Oak Road, father a bricklayer.
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21 Apr 2013 08:54 |
? 1901 England Census Florence Eva Williams Age: 12 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889 Relation: Niece Gender: Female Where born: Kilburn, Middlesex, England Civil parish: West Ham Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark County/Island: Essex Registration district: West Ham Sub-registration district: Canning Town ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Household schedule number: 248 Piece: 1578 Folio: 104 Page Number: 46 John Burgess 38 Runcorn Berkshire (something wrong here) xxxSusannah Burgess 49 Kings Lynn Norfolk xxxFlorence Eva Williams 12 niece Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1578; Folio: 104; Page: 46.
Added: ? Marriages Dec 1891 xxxBurgess John Hendon 3a 306 Robinson Clara Hendon 3a 306 xxxxWhite Susannah Hendon 3a 306
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21 Apr 2013 09:02 |
1911 England Census John Burgess Age in 1911: 48 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Rasborne, Berkshire Civil parish: West Ham County/Island: Essex Country: England Street Address: 27 Randolph Road, Custom House Marital Status: Married Occupation: Fatters Labaer Registration district: West Ham Registration District Number: 188 Sub-registration district: Canning Town ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Household schedule number: 69 Piece: 9479 John Burgess 48 Susannah Burgess 58 married 20 years 1 child born and living Charles Burgess 6/12 SON !! Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 9479; Schedule Number: 69.
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21 Apr 2013 09:06 |
? Susannah's previous marriage: Marriages Sep 1875 Anderson Ann Hendon 3a 179 BUSBY John Hendon 3a 179 xxxxWARD Susannah Hendon 3a 179 xxxxWhite William Hendon 3a 179
to go with her sister's marriage to George Marriages Mar 1877 FRANKLIN Alice Hendon 3a 147 Martindale John Hendon 3a 147 xxxWard Sarah Ann Hendon 3a 147 xxxWilliams George Hendon 3a 147
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21 Apr 2013 09:10 |
Interesting:
John Burgess Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863 Age: 28 Spouse Name: Susannah White (widow) Spouse Age: 38 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 15 Nov 1891 Parish: Willesden St Mary Borough: Brent Father Name: Richard Burgess - farm lab Spouse Father Name: John Ward - labourer Register Type: Parish Register
Witnesses Sarah A Williams! and Willoughby G Stevens
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21 Apr 2013 09:16 |
Sarah Ann Ward Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Age: 20 Spouse Name: George Williams (bricklayer, widow) Spouse Age: 30 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 21 Jan 1877 Parish: Wembley Borough: Brent Father Name: John Ward - labourer Spouse Father Name: George Williams - farmer Register Type: Parish Register
Witnesses John Ward and susannah White
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21 Apr 2013 09:17 |
So, going back to the original post - who on earth died in the explosion? We've accounted for quite a number of them.
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21 Apr 2013 09:27 |
Forget the explosion? I have. Or just George.
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21 Apr 2013 09:42 |
George James Williams (labourer) Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 Age: 24 Spouse Name: Emma Botley Spouse Age: 29 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 4 May 1890 Parish: Willesden St Mary Borough: Brent Father Name: George Williams (bricklayer, dec) Spouse Father Name: Edward Botley (decorator, dec) Register Type: Parish Register
Both of Holly Lane, Willesden. Witnesses William James Stilton and John Salmon?
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21 Apr 2013 09:50 |
If that death that I posted for George was correct (just before son's marriage?) and it was an explosion, you can look to see who else died in the same quarter in Hendon. But if they are just unrelated tenants in a house there are too many. There are even, probably, mothers and children dying in childbirth registered at similar times etc
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21 Apr 2013 10:17 |
I wonder if this was Arthur, he is a scholar at the Industrial school, birth place matches that of Frederick & Annie on the 1881 census:
Arthur Williams Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884 Gender: Male Where born: Sudbury Civil parish: Lewisham County/Island: London Country: England Street Address:
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View image Registration district: Lewisham Sub-registration district: Sydenham ED, institution, or vessel: 31 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 526 Folio: 165 Page Number: 11
If he had been in trouble, it could explain his admission into the army once old enough.
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21 Apr 2013 21:06 |
Hi Patchem,
This is Frederick W. Williams as i found this info on 1911 research too, thankyou for info on Eliza G Williams & Frederick J Williams info so pleased u found them
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Chris
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21 Apr 2013 21:57 |
Patchem & Friends
Many Thanks For Solving My Mystery & For All Your Help In Finding Info I Could Not Have Found Myself !!
Now I Know What happened to my Great Grandfather It Sounds like he went to help the neighbours that were living in his street & died doing so at least my Great Grandmother Sarah lived & Had two other children i never knew about & theother info which i will add to my tree
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Chris
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22 Apr 2013 00:15 |
just for interest - location of residences in 1881 & 1891 1881 Keppel Cottages intersection of Elms Lane and Harrow Road map and photo on this link http://www.musgroves.co.uk/frank%20james%20wornham.htm
nearest church St Andrews Sudbury http://www.standrewssudbury.co.uk/
1891 Holly Lane Willesden "Holly Lane was off Church Road and lead to what was known as Neasden Power Station. I don't know if the power station is still there but that is where a lot of electricty was generated just for the London Transport Service for the tube trains. To get to Holly Lane it was about half-way down Church Road opposite the Post Office for Curzon Crescent."
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22 Apr 2013 14:36 |
Hi Patchem,
It certainly looks like Frederick , Was looking for Florence Eva Williams & Maud Susannah O Williams in 1911 census excellent piece of work finding info
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Chris
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22 Apr 2013 17:32 |
Thank-you, Chris
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22 Apr 2013 21:02 |
Sorry to bother u again cant seem to find who Florence Eva or Maud Susannah Williams married or didnt they marry anyone? Would be helpful to know
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Chris
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22 Apr 2013 22:07 |
Marriages Dec 1915 (>99%) Williams Maud O Walter Willesden 3a 648
Walter Thomas
Name: Maud Olive Williams Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887 Age: 28 Spouse Name: Thomas Walter Spouse Age: 28 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 14 Nov 1915 Parish: Harlesden All Souls Borough: Brent Spouse Father Name: John Walter Register Type: Parish Register
her father listed as George Williams bricklayer deceased
address 75 Buckingham Road Harlesdon
witnesses John Walter and Amy Walter Smith
her birth
Name: Maud Susannah O Williams Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1888 Registration district: Hendon Inferred County: Middlesex Volume: 3a Page: 164
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