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19 Apr 2013 21:13 |
I Wonder if someone can find info for me? In 1881 found my great grandparents in census in 1891 found nothing i was given info to say they died in a house explosion but dont know how to look up info! Their Names were George & Sarah Ann Williams think at time were living in the area of Middlesex dont know any more than that only other info is there were six people in the house that all died would really like to solve this mystery thankyou
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19 Apr 2013 21:18 |
Have you found any possible deaths for George and Sarah ?
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19 Apr 2013 21:20 |
Might be useful to post the 1881 census and explain who you have managed to find in 1891
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19 Apr 2013 23:39 |
Please tell us from their ages in 1881, when were they born ?
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20 Apr 2013 07:28 |
? 1881 England Census George Williams Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah A. Williams Gender: Male Where born: Bourton, Dorset, England Civil parish: Harrow County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address: 1 Keppel C Harrow Rd Condition as to marriage: Married Occupation: Bricklayer Registration district: Hendon Sub-registration district: Harrow ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Piece: 1358 Folio: 37 Page Number: 11 George Williams 36 Sarah A. Williams 25 Lynn Norfolk George J. Williams 15 Wimbledon Surrey Eliza G. Williams 11 Charlton, Somerset, Herbert Williams 9 Charlton, Somerset, Elizabeth Williams 8 Charlton, Somerset, Fredk. W. Williams 1 Sudbury, Middlesex, Annie L. Williams Sudbury, Middlesex, Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 1358; Folio: 37; Page: 11; GSU roll: 1341330.
1871 England Census George Williams Age: 27 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Eliza Williams Gender: Male Where born: Bourton, Dorset, England Civil parish: Charlton Musgrove County/Island: Somerset Country: England Registration district: Wincanton Sub-registration district: Wincanton ED, institution, or vessel: 5c Household schedule number: 70 Piece: 2426 Folio: 68 Page Number: 13 George Williams 27 Eliza Williams 29 George Jas Williams 5 Wimbledon, Surrey, Frederic J Williams 3 Charlton Eliza G Williams 1 Charlton Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2426; Folio: 68; Page: 13; GSU roll: 835178.
It would be useful to know which ones still there in 1891 and where they were living, and for info. this looks like Annie's birth: Births Jun 1881 WILLIAMS Annie Louisa Hendon 3a 138
?? Births Jun 1879 Williams Walter Frederick Hendon 3a 131
Added: ? Births Dec 1869 Williams Eliza Georgina Wincanton 5c 500
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20 Apr 2013 09:51 |
I read the opening post as "in 1891 found nothing" so assume the explosion happened between 1881 and 1891.
Searching the newspaper archives for George Williams +explosion in the London area between 1881 & 1891 fetches up over 200 results so it needs to be narrowed down.
If Chris can confirm the correct 1881 we can then look for deaths of the names at the same time and then check the newspapers around the date of the deaths.
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20 Apr 2013 12:03 |
I was having a look for deaths between 1881 and 1891 and could not see anything obvious. Only George died and remarriage of Sarah making her difficult to find? Deaths not in Middlesex as he has moved around the country? It would be helpful to know who is Chris's direct ancestor.
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20 Apr 2013 21:56 |
Member patchem & Member MarieCeleste
This Is the right 1881 census Thankyou
My Direct Ancestor Is Arthur Ward Williams born 1883 who was born after Annie
Been looking in census 1891 for Frederick J Williams, Eliza G Williams, Herbert Williams 1872 & Elizabeth Williams 1873 possibly they could be the relatives who died in the house explosion but not known if they were
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Chris
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20 Apr 2013 22:02 |
When and where did Arthur marry and where any of his family witnessess
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20 Apr 2013 22:02 |
For info: Births Sep 1883 WILLIAMS Arthur Ward Hendon 3a 136
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20 Apr 2013 22:13 |
My Grandfather Arthur Ward Williams Married My Grandmother Alice Howard on the 12/01/1929 West Ham Registry Office London
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Chris
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20 Apr 2013 22:18 |
Had he been married before?
Marriages Mar 1929 Williams Arthur W Howard W.Ham 4a 531
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20 Apr 2013 22:35 |
Member Patchem
Hi, I dont think so or nothing im awear of spent most of his life in the army
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Chris
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20 Apr 2013 22:40 |
Have you got the actual marriage certificate to know if it says bachelor? Have you got him on the 1891 census? Thanks
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GlitterBaby
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20 Apr 2013 22:57 |
Is he shown in 1901 and 1911 as being in the military and possible in 1891 as nephew ?
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Vicci
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21 Apr 2013 01:22 |
this might be it
no. 40 cirencester street Harrow
Western Daily Press SERIOUS EXPLOSION “... SERIOUS EXPLOSION. itttezday explosion at Cirencester Street, Harrow Boad, Iteration, ths private ... ”
First match of your search in this article.
Tuesday 15 October 1889 , Western Daily Press , Bristol, England
Sheffield Daily Telegraph GUNPOWDER EXPLOSION “... GUNPOWDER EXPLOSION. TWO CHILDREN TERRIBLY INJURED. About a quarter two o'clock yesterday afternoon an explosion occurred at No. 40, ...
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21 Apr 2013 01:29 |
sorry , that was not the williams family
An explosion occurred yesterday afternoon, ' at *0. Ciiwioeeter-street, Harrow-road, at the private . house of Mr. W. E. Lucas. Two children, Percy I ucaa. 13. and Bertie Lucas, fire, bad been plavmp I with hra in tbe ftont kitchen, in tbe basement"
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21 Apr 2013 07:40 |
Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1801-1928 Eliza Georgina Williams Birth Place: England Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Father Name: George Williams Mother Name: Eliza Flicker Spouse Name: Charles Lord Manery Spouse's Age: 40 Spouse Birth Year: abt 1864 Spouse Birth Place: England Spouse Father Name: William Manery Spouse Mother Name: Sarah Jane Wingrove Manery Marriage Date: 16 Jan 1904 Marriage County or District: Essex
Eliza Georgina was the daughter of George and his first wife Eliza, as in the 1871 census that I posted. The marriage naming her Mother as Eliza Flicker would fit in for this marriage of her parents Marriages Jun 1864 xxxFricker Eliza Mere 5a 369 Moores Judith Mere 5a 369 Silverthorne William Mere 5a 369 xxxWilliams George Mere 5a 369
1910 United States Federal Census : Eliza G Manery Age in 1910: 40 Birth Year: abt 1870 [1870] Birthplace: England Home in 1910: Loxley and Roberstdale, Baldwin, Alabama Race: White Gender: Female Relation to Head of House: Wife Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Charles L Manery Father's Birthplace: England Mother's Birthplace: England Charles L Manery 47 Eliza G Manery 40 married 6 years 2 children born 1 living Mary E Manery 14 William J C R Manery 10 James H Manery 3 Source Citation: Year: 1910; Census Place: Loxley and Roberstdale, Baldwin, Alabama; Roll: T624_1; Page: 2B; Enumeration District: 0010; FHL microfilm: 1374014.
The 1920 census might give her year of immigration to USA as 1906 or 1908, but does not help as do not know how long in Canada.
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21 Apr 2013 08:05 |
Well spotted Pat - so brother Herbert also still alive
Eliza Georgina Williams Manery Arrival Date: 18 Feb 1909 Age: 39 Birth Date: abt 1870 Birthplace: Wincanton Somersetshire Gender: Female Race/Nationality: English Port of Arrival: Detroit, Michigan Departure Contact: Brother Herbert Williams Microfilm Roll Number: M1478_53
States she arrived into Halifax April 1890 aboard Polnesia. Her brothers address was 72 Pape Avenue, Lemington, Ontario.
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21 Apr 2013 08:21 |
Is this Walter Frederick, with a wife and a sister, in 1911? 1911 England Census Walter Frederick Williams Age in 1911: 31 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Male Birth Place: Sudbury, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Enfield County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address: 59 Bush Hill Pk, Bertram Rd, Enfield Marital Status: Married Occupation: Wood Sawyer Furniture Registration district: Edmonton Registration District Number: 132 Sub-registration district: Enfield ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Household schedule number: 400 Piece: 7412 Walter Frederick Williams 31 Annie Lucy Williams 33 wife married 8 years 2 children born 1 living Epsom Florence Lillian Williams 5 dau Stoke Newington Mabel White 3 niece Epsom Florence Eva Williams 21 sister Willesden Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 7412; Schedule Number: 400.
Added: Births Dec 1889 Williams Florence Eva Hendon 3a 185
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