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Thanks Thelma for letting us know, it backs up what we found.. :-)

Now have birth cert. for Mary Jane Hack 27/10/1858 11 King St.Southampton.
Father John Hack Merchant seaman
Mother Elizabeth Hack formerly Taylor

There could have been a quiet wedding on the Friday. The Christening was on the Sunday, all the Christening I've been to were Sundays. The dates of birth on the Christening ties up with a last quater 1862 registration of the birth.

If they didn't have much money it would be a very small wedding and 1 day off work would be all they'd have, might have even been in his lunch time. They couldn't afford to stand on ceremony in those days.

It should be noted that it is now nearly 2 years since John Hack declared himself as a widower in 1861 and another child has been born and Christened with the name Taylor. Perhaps it's lies to the census but wouldn't lie in church.

John Henry is on the Census as a 9 yr old in 1871 with his parents

John H Hack
Age:9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862

Relation: Son

Father's Name: John Hack

Mother's Name: Elisabeth Hack

Gender: Male

Where born: Southampton, Hampshire, England

Civil parish: All Saints

Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints

Town: Southampton

County/Island: Hampshire

Country: England

Registration district: Southampton

Sub-registration district: Southampton

ED, institution, or vessel: 45

Household schedule number: 81

Piece: 1193
Folio 104
Page Number: 14

Household Members:

Name Age

John Hack 34
Elisabeth Hack 32
Mary J Hack 12
Sarah Hack 10
John H Hack 9
Amelia Hack 5
Louisa E Hack 3
Alfred C Hack 35

PatinCyprus
That is strange,three christenings.
All two days after the parents married in the same church.
I would love to see the originals to find out if Familysearch have mistranscribed.

Is this the answer John waited for a son???

parents: John Hack, Elizabeth Taylor

Name John Henry Taylor
Gender Male
Christening Date11 Jan 1863
Christening Place SAINT JAMES,SOUTHAMPTON,HAMPSHIRE,ENGLAND
Birth Date23 Nov 1862
Father's Name John Hack
Father's Birthplace
Father's Age
Mother's Name Elizabeth Taylor

This is the registered birth

Name: John Henry Hack

Date of Registration:Oct-Nov-Dec 1862

Registration district:Southampton

Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume 2c


Another registered as a Hack but Christened under Taylor

Mike the census in 1861 states the girls are named Mary and Sarah Hack and the births are registered as Hacks. John Hack is claiming them and says he's a widower whilst Elizabeth is still a Taylor and says she's married, no claim on the girls at this time. This only happens at their Christening when the surname isn't important.

Looks as if they were covering up the fact that they were living together and not married to each other for whatever reason they had. They married in 1863.

Thank you safc.
That came as a surprise.That now excludes the 1856 marriage.

Name: Selina Hack
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Female
Age: 49
Relationship to Head of Household: Wife
Birthplace: Maidstone, Kent
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: South Stoneham
Sub-District: Stoneham, South
Parish: Botley
County: Hampshire
Household Gender Age Birthplace
Self John Hack M 55 Bosley, Hampshire
Wife Selina Hack F 49 Maidstone, Kent
Son James Hack M 20 South Stoneham, Hampshire
Visitor Harriott Spencer F 20 Bursledon, Hampshire

Mgnv
My point was that I have experienced 2 cases where the child's baptism was recorded under a new surname with the step father being named as the father.

Just pointing out that the parents named on a baptism are not always correct ( ie different from those on the birth cert)

I cannot thank you all enough.You have found information that I could not.
Do not know how I missed that marriage to Selina in1856.
The baptisms in the name of Taylor came as a big surprise.
I will have to buy the birth cert for Mary Jane.

Mike - I think you're mistaken. The purpose of a christening is to give the child their christian name(s). It has nothing to do with surnames. The typical post-1810 baptismal register has a column headed "Child's Christian Name" and a double column headed "Parents Name" which is subdivided into "Christian" and "Surname" columns. So if the entry said "John illegitimate son of" "William Smith & Mary Brown", you're left to guess what his surname is - in truth you're always left to guess, but the guess his surname is the one used by both his parents is the usual guess, and nearly always correct.

Similarly, birth certificates have no absolute connection with a child's legal name - I presume you've already concluded that (unless you know a couple of guys called Male Smith).

Although John is recorded as a widower on 1861 census, does the marriage cert in 1863 bear this out ?

Not unheard of for stepparents to be named on christening records.

I have 2 rellies who were born with one surname and christened with another 4 years later after a re-marriage.

Can't see a death for Sarah so perhaps they just put the wrong year as it's about right month, just should be 1860, perhaps miss transcribed.


Edit - Sarah is 10 in 1871 census and Mary down as Mary J.

Looks like 1st Sarah died and this backs up other Christening information. Thanks Maddie.

parents:John Hack, Elizabeth Taylor

Name Sarah Taylor
Gender Female
Christening Date1863
Christening Place SAINT JAMES, SOUTHAMPTON, HAMPSHIRE, ENGLAND
Birth Date 27 Jul 1862
Birthplace
Death Date
Name Note
Race
Father's Name John Hack
Father's Birthplace
Father's Age
Mother's Name Elizabeth Taylor

nice one PatinCyprus :-)

Perhaps one or two porkies told at the census, explains why there's no 1st marriage

spouse: Elizabeth Taylor
child: Mary Jane Taylor

NameMary Jane Taylor
Gender Female
Christening Date1863
Christening Place SAINT JAMES, SOUTHAMPTON, HAMPSHIRE, ENGLAND
Birth Date 1858
Birthplace
Death Date
Name Note
Race
Father's Name John Hack
Father's Birthplace
Father's Age
Mother's Name Elizabeth Taylor

just wondering if he was telling porkies as he was living with Elizabeth in 1861 and youngest child only 7 months old, can't find a female Hack death for 1860/1861
Maddie

parents:James Hack
spouse:Selina Phillips

NameJohn Hack
Birth Date
Birthplace
Age
Spouse's NameSelina Phillips
Spouse's Birth Date
Spouse's Birthplace
Spouse's Age
Event Date14 Oct 1856
Event PlaceBotley,Hampshire,England
Father's NameJames Hack
Mother's Name
Spouse's Father's NameWilliam Maddock


Wrong father for that one if above census is correct

Edit - Snap Maddie

the marraige posted by jansmith
father is James
Name: John Hack
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Selina Phillips
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 14 Oct 1856
Event Place: Botley,Hampshire,England
Father's Name: James Hack
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name: William Maddock
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M13655-2
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 1041171
Reference ID: