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Sharon
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28 Mar 2013 20:09 |
Please could anyone help me? I am trying to find out where my g grandmother, Lily Sophia Shaw was in 1901. She was born, Lily Sophia Shaw in Hammersmith in 1878/79. In the 1911 census she was living in Willesden with her husband, George Henry Drury, who she married in 1902 and she is listed as having one child. The thing is, I know for certain that she had two other children - Rose A Branch - Born: 1897/98 and William Branch - Born: 1900. Both these children are listed in the 1911 census as being at the West london district school. I have been unable to find a marriage for Lily Sophia Shaw to a Mr. Branch and can only assume that there was no marriage to him. Lily Sophia Drury then went on to marry an Arthur Edgar Ginger (my g grandfather) in 1914. Any information on Lily Sophia and her whereabouts in 1901 would be greatly appreciated.
Kind Regards Sharon :-)
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AnnCardiff
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28 Mar 2013 20:20 |
Name: Lily S Shaw Event Type: Census Event Date: 1891 Gender: Female Age: 12 Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter Birthplace: Hammersmith, London Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Hendon Sub-District: Willesden Ecclesiastical Parish: Holy Trinity Parish: Willesden County: Middlesex
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GlitterBaby
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28 Mar 2013 20:21 |
How do you know the Branch children were hers ?
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GlitterBaby
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28 Mar 2013 20:23 |
Just for info
Name: George Henry Drury Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Age: 41 Spouse Name: Lily Sophia Shaw Spouse Age: 24 Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 16 Feb 1902 Parish: West Kilburn St Luke Borough: Westminster Father Name: William John Drury Spouse Father Name: George Henry Shaw Register Type: Parish Register
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patchem
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28 Mar 2013 20:34 |
Which Rose is hers? Births Jun 1897 Branch Rose Alice Hendon 3a 227 Births Mar 1898 BRANCH Rose Alice E Croydon 2a 243 Thank-you.
Added: Rose A E is with her parents in 1901 census, so the other one?
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GlitterBaby
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28 Mar 2013 20:35 |
Unfortunately Rose on 1911 does not give any place of birth
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GlitterBaby
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28 Mar 2013 20:37 |
1901 ??
Name: Lily S Branch Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: William Branch Gender: Female Where born: Hammersmith Civil parish: Willesden Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Hendon Sub-registration district: Willesden ED, institution, or vessel: 38 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 103 Piece: 1220 Folio: 107 Page Number: 13 Household Members: Name Age William Branch 30 Lily S Branch 24 Rose A Branch 4 William G Branch 1
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Choccy
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28 Mar 2013 20:43 |
FMP version
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RG number: RG13 Piece: 1220 Folio: 107 Page: 13 Reg. District: Hendon Sub District: Willesden Parish: Willesden Enum. District: 38 Ecclesiastical District: St Lukes City/Municipal Borough: Address: 67, Denmark Road, Willesden County: Middlesex
BRANCH, William Head Married M 30 1871 Brick Contractors Carman Summerstown, London BRANCH, Lily S Wife Married F 24 1877 Laundress Hammersmith, London BRANCH, Rose A Daughter Single F 4 1897 Paddington, London BRANCH, William G Son Single M 1 1900 Kilburn, Middlesex
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GlitterBaby
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28 Mar 2013 20:46 |
The tree on Ancestry does not make any sense at all so not going to bother using any of that info
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AnnCardiff
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28 Mar 2013 20:56 |
Name: Lily Sophia Drury Event Type: Census Event Date: 1911 Gender: Female Age: 33 Birthplace: Hammersmith, London Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Willesden Sub-District: Willesden Parish: Willesden County: Middlesex
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MarieCeleste
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28 Mar 2013 20:57 |
On her marriage in 1902 to George Henry Drury her address is given as 72 Denmark Street so the 1901 posted above seems right as she was at no 67 then.
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AnnCardiff
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28 Mar 2013 20:58 |
Name: Rose A Branch Event Type: Census Event Date: 31 Mar 1901 Gender: Female Age: 4 Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter Birthplace: Paddington, London Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Hendon Sub-District: Willesden Ecclesiastical Parish: St Lukes Civil Parish: Willesden District/Parish/County: Middlesex
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AnnCardiff
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28 Mar 2013 21:01 |
Name: Arthur E Ginger Age (Original): 0 Gender: Male Birth Year: 1881 Birthplace: London Kilburn, London, Middlesex, England Relationship to Head of Household: Son Marital Status: Single Occupation: Address: 57 Pembroke Rd Event Place: Willesden, Middlesex, England Disability: Record Type: Household GS Film number: 1341331 Affiliate Publication Number: RG11 Piece/Folio: 1364 / 109 Page Number: 40 Household Gender Age Birthplace Head Thomas Ginger M 39 Eaton Bray, Bedfordshire, England Wife Ann Ginger F 40 Ivanhoe Acton, Buckinghamshire, England Daughter Edith Ginger F 6 London Kilburn, London, Middlesex, England Daughter Kate Emily Ginger F 4 London Kilburn, London, Middlesex, England Son Arthur E Ginger M 0 London Kilburn, London, Middlesex, England
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AnnCardiff
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28 Mar 2013 21:01 |
Name: Auther Edgar Ginger Event Type: Census Event Date: 1911 Gender: Male Age: 30 Birthplace: Kilburn, London Schedule Type: Household Registration District: Willesden Sub-District: Willesden Parish: Willesden County: Middlesex
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rootgatherer
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28 Mar 2013 21:21 |
Name: Rose Branch Age: 8 Birth Date: 23 Apr 1897 School: Wilberforce Memorial School Borough: Westminster Admission Date: 28 Aug 1905 Parent: George Drewey Notes: Non-provided school (0238): in 1929 Wilberforce Church of England School renamed the Wilberforce School (London County Council, 1211) Reference Number: LCC/EO/DIV02/WIL/AD/003
Address looks like 54 Herries?
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Sharon
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1 Apr 2013 08:35 |
Hello AnnCardiff, GlitterBaby, Patchem, Rootgatherer, Choccy and MarieCeleste... Just to let you all know that I have seen all your posts to me and every one of them is very much appreciated - Thank you so much for all your help. It would seem that Lily Sophia did indeed marry a Mr. Branch! This piece of information being particularly helpful. Will go on searching for this marriage now.
To GlitterBaby...I know that the Branch children were Lily Sophia's because of speaking with my Nan and other members of family in the past. My Nan always referred to Rose as a step sister. I also remember seeing Rose when I was younger. Not ruling out skeletons in the closet of course! But thanks to everyone's input to my post, hopefully I'm nearer to what was what :-D
Kind regards and thanks once again
Sharon
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Flip
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1 Apr 2013 09:27 |
Have you actually found a birth for Lily Sophia, I can't see one - nor a marriage for her parents shown on 1891 census - another mystery.
She married Mr Drury as a spinster and under her maiden name in 1902, so it is doubtful there ever was a marriage to William Branch, added to which there is no death registered for him 1901/2 (at least not England/Wales)
Added: To add even more confusion, George Henry Drury was a widow age 41 on the marriage certificate but on the 1911 census is shown as 34??
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MarieCeleste
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1 Apr 2013 11:05 |
Why would they say only married 4 years on the 1911, when it was actually 9?
DRURY, George Henry Head Married M 34 1877 Carman Notting Hill DRURY, Lily Sophia Wife Married 4 years F 33 1878 Washer Hammersmith DRURY, George Henry Son M 3 1908 Paddington North
RG number: RG14 Piece: 6987 Reference: RG14PN6987 RG78PN346A RD129 SD1 ED7 SN323 Registration District: Willesden Sub District: Willesden Enumeration District: 7 Parish: Willesden
Address: 54 Canterbury Road Kilburn N W County: Middlesex
Was George lying about age to minimise the age gap?
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Mary
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1 Apr 2013 11:48 |
1881 Kensington Town D30c >23 George Starr (SHAW) 1850 labourer Sophia 1847 Emily 1867 George H 1874 Lily 1879 Hammersmith.
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MarieCeleste
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1 Apr 2013 11:54 |
Posting 1891 for reference, so her dad was born Canada?
SHAW, George Head Married M 41 1850 Labourer Roadman St Johns New Brunswick SHAW, Sophia Wife Married F 44 1847 Greenford SHAW, George H Son Single M 17 1874 Watchmaker Kensington, London SHAW, James Son M 15 1876 Groom Hammersmith, London SHAW, Lily S Daughter F 12 1879 Hammersmith, London CARDLE, Edwin Lodger Single M 18 1873 Greengrocer Paddington, London WARD, Charles Grandson M 13 1878 Milkman Paddington, London MCCARTHY, Elizabeth Lodger Married F 33 1858 Mantle Maker
Piece: 1045 Folio: 175 Page: 11 Registration District: Hendon Civil Parish: Willesden
Address: 26, Alpha Place North, Willesden County: Middlesex
George and Sophia seem a bit young to have a grandson of 13?
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