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Hi there,

My relative John Toy was in the Durham County Gaol in 1851 whilst his wife Bridget was with her in-laws in Hetton-le-Hole, County Durham (James and Sarah Toy).

I am wondering if John appears on the criminal register so I can see his misdemeanour?!

Cheers,

Peter

Hello Peter, when/where was he born (in case an age is mentioned)?

What relation is he?

Not finding him on the criminal collection on FMP.

ngland & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
about John Toy
Name: John Toy
Date of Trial: 30 Dec 1850
Trial Year: 1850
Location of Trial: Durham, England
Sentence: Imprisonment

Larceny - before convicted of felony

Sentence 9 month imprisonment - last fortnight solitary confinment



Andy

not sure if this is connected

28 JUNE 1850

HELSTON PETTY SESSIONS. At these sessions, held for this borough on the 8th instant, before Mr Moyle, Mayor, and Messrs Glynn Grylls, John Kendall and William Penberthy, Magistrates, James Paull and Luke Banfield were respectively find £5 for assaulting Mr Geach, of the White Hart Inn, in this borough, and in default of immediate payment, two months' imprisonment.

James Paull and Luke Banfield, and also James Banfield, John Halls, John Toy, John Cook, John Kneebone, William Halls, John Lanyon and John Bawden, all of Helston, were respectively find £2 and 10s. for assaulting Edward MICHELL the ostler of Mr Geach, and in default of immediate payment two months imprisonment; which last term of imprisonment in the cases of James Paull and Luke Banfield, to commence and take effect on the expiration of the term of two months, for the assault on Mr Geach. It appeared from the evidence, that the defendants had a grudge against the ostler (Mitchell) and that they had entered the back door of Mr Geach's Inn yard, about two o' clock on the morning of Sunday the 2nd instant, where they found Mitchell and commenced beating him. Mr Geach and others who went to his assistance, were also severely beaten. [Both Michell and Mitchell spellings used in this item.]

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Thank you MarieCeleste - actually, I don't know his age. He married my distant aunt Bridget Welch/Welsh in 1847 in Houghton le Spring, County Durham ... does his appear on the 1851, and does his wife appear on the 1851 with her in-laws? She was born c. 1827 in Ireland.

Also thank you for the 1850 crime records. So he was in court for theft and seems he was punished for something also (to be in solitary for the final two weeks)?!

Thank you AnnCardiff also - not sure about the 1850 newspaper but the 1881 stray may connect. I am just not sure yet.

Thank you again!

Name: William Toy
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 13 Jun 1852
Christening Place: St. Michael, Houghton-le-Spring, Durham, England
Birth Date: 01 Jun 1852
Father's Name: James Toy
Mother's Name: Sarah Welch Toy
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01397-3
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 2046477
Reference ID: Item 3 p31

WOW!

Ann - you may have linked us back another generation!

WOW, thank you!

Erm, so, can I be cheeky and ask for them on the census?!

Thank you

?????????????????

William Toy
England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8)
christening: 09 Apr 1828 Bishopwearmouth, Durham
parents:James Toy, Sarah Toy

John Toy
England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8)
christening: 24 Jul 1825 Bishopwearmouth, Durham
parents:James Toy, Sarah Toy

Name: John Toy
Spouse's Name: Bridget Welsh
Event Date: 13 Dec 1847
Event Place: Houghton-Le-Spring, Durham, England
Father's Name: James Toy
Spouse's Father's Name: John Welsh
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M01081-9
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 1885560
Reference ID: 492

Hmmm confusing - Bridget Welch from the 1847 marriage is my aunt.

Did two generations of the same family marry?!

finding these on the free LDS site - www.familysearch.org

so happy to have been of assistance :-D

Name: Jas Toy
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1841
Gender: Male
Age: 40
Birthplace: Ireland
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District: Houghton Le Spring
Sub-District: Houghton Le Spring
Parish: Houghton Le Spring
County: Durham

this is plain nasty

Name: James Toy
Role of Individual: Prisoner
Event Type: Prison
Event Date: 1848
Event Place: Cork City, Cork, Ireland
Residence Place:
Age: 50
Birthplace:
Birth Year (Estimated): 1798
Prison: Cork City
Offense: Lunatic Asst
Item Number: 2
Book Number: 1/8/24
County: Cork
GS Film number: 2356537
Digital Folder Number: 004492630
Image Number: 00377

Ah thank you - I have been looking on the IGI for the family of JOHN AND BRIDGET but never thought his mother was a WELCH also.

So is that his father in the 1850 prison document?! Hang on ... is he in prison for being mentally ill?

Also, just checking my Burial Index - a Sarah Toy was buried in Houghton le Spring in 1874 aged 88 ... can you see if she is on the census?!

Thank you!

William Toy

England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

birth: 06 Apr 1828
christening: 09 Apr 1828 SAINT MARYS-ROMAN CATHOLIC,BISHOPWEARMOUTH,DURHAM,ENGLAND


parents:James Toy, Sarah Rutlidge

NameWilliam Toy
GenderMale
Christening Date09 Apr 1828
Christening PlaceSAINT MARYS-ROMAN CATHOLIC,BISHOPWEARMOUTH,DURHAM,ENGLAND
Birth Date06 Apr 1828
Birthplace
Death Date
Name Note
Race
Father's NameJames Toy
Father's Birthplace
Father's Age
Mother's NameSarah Rutlidge
Mother's Birthplace
Mother's Age
Indexing Project (Batch) NumberC06458-1
System OriginEngland-ODM
GS Film number0593801 (RG4 1494)
Reference ID

not a clue who the lunatic is - just thought it was really nasty putting someone in prison because they are mentally ill


Name: Sarah Toy
Event Type: Census
Event Date: 1871
Gender: Female
Age: 85
Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Birthplace: Ireland
Schedule Type: Household
Registration District:
Sub-District:
Parish: Wiffon Gilbert
County: Durham

Name: Sarah Toy
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 01 Jul 1854
Christening Place: St. Cuthbert, Durham, Durham, England
Birth Date: 08 Jun 1854
Father's Name: John Toy
Mother's Name: Bridget Welsh
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C02113-6
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 2082455
Reference ID: it 2

Name: James Toy
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 31 Dec 1848
Christening Place: St. Michael, Houghton-le-Spring, Durham, England
Birth Date: 16 Dec 1848
Father's Name: John Toy
Mother's Name: Bridget Welch Toy
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: C01397-3
System Origin: England-EASy
GS Film number: 2046477
Reference ID: Item 3 p12

Thank you Ann - yes I agree, imprisoning someone for being mentall ill is awful.

And Bridget and John Toy had a few children ... Sarah shown above died aged three.

I'm curious to find the OTHER marriage of James Toy and Sarah Welch?! Wow complicated.