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16 Mar 2013 13:15 |
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Name: Thomas Steel Willett
Birth Date: 28 Nov 1887
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1970
Age at Death: 82
Registration district: Ely
Inferred County: Cambridgeshire
Volume: 4a
Page: 1005
His Army record shows he married Evaline in the Register Office Downham on 2nd Feb 1909 two children Florence Ilene born 18.8.1909 Downham and Thomas William 12.10.1916 Littleport.
may be another branch of the Carmen family
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16 Mar 2013 12:57 |
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FMP has it all wrong as it doesnt show an Agnes Whittome on the listing and not finding anything about an Evaline Carman.
It does show Thomas Willett tho so perhaps he married Evaline
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16 Mar 2013 12:29 |
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think Frederick Brundle probably married -
Marriages Mar 1909 (>99%)
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BRUNDLE Fred Downham 4b 516
>>>>>BRUNDLE Frederick Downham 4b 516
>>>>>WHITTOME Agnes Downham 4b 516
WILLETT Thomas Steel Downham 4b 516
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16 Mar 2013 12:17 |
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calling her Agnes on the 1911??
1911 census transcription details for: Ten Mile Bank Downham
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National Archive Reference:
RG14PN11674 RG78PN645 RD237 SD2 ED7 SN60
Reg. District: Downham
Sub District: Downham
Parish: Hilgay
Enum. District: 7
Address: Ten Mile Bank Downham
County: Norfolk
Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
BRUNDLE, Fredrick Head Married M 61 1850 Farmer Ten Mile Bank Norfolk
BRUNDLE, Agnes Wife Married
2 years F 41 1870 Warboys Huntingdonshire
WILMOTT, Kate Servant Single F 19 1892 General Servant Domestic Prickwillow Cambs
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16 Mar 2013 12:10 |
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Name: Ann Elizabeth Brundle
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1901
Age at Death: 50
Registration district: Downham
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 248
so Frederick remarried and to another Carman
Civil Registration event: Marriage
Name: BRUNDLE, Frederick/Fred
Registration district: Downham
County: Norfolk
Year of registration: 1909
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 4B
Page no: 516
MarriageFinder: Frederick Brundle married one of the following people:
CARMAN, Eveline Hannah
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16 Mar 2013 12:08 |
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Sorry Choccy I missed that I am on Google Chrome and you have to reload the page to see any updates .was working form the open thread :-(
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16 Mar 2013 11:58 |
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interesting in 1901 !!!
1901 England Census about Frederick Brundle
Name: Frederick Brundle
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Hilgay, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Hilgay
Ecclesiastical parish: Hilgay All Saints and St Mark
Town: Ten Mile Bank
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district: Downham
Sub-registration district: Downham
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 112
Piece: 1894
Folio: 78
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Brundle 51widower
Edith Brundle 22
Ernest Brundle 18
Sally Carman 29 sister in law >>>>>>>
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1894; Folio: 78; Page: 18.
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16 Mar 2013 11:54 |
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marriage already posted and birth of Arthur CARMAN
Brundale/Carman (Downham reg district)
1891
RG number: RG12
Piece: 1572
Folio: 126
Page: 4
Reg. District: Downham
Sub District: Downham
Parish: Hilgay
Enum. District: 9
Ecclesiastical District: All Saints
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 4, Sedge Drove, Hilgay
County: Norfolk
BRUNDLE, Frederick Head Married M 41 1850 Cattle Dealer & Farmer
Hilgay, Norfolk
BRUNDLE, Elizabeth Wife Married F 40 1851
Hilgay, Norfolk
>>>>>BRUNDLE, Arthur Son Single M 22 1869 Farmers Son
Hilgay, Norfolk
BRUNDLE, Albert Son Single M 16 1875 Farmers Son
Hilgay, Norfolk
BRUNDLE, Edith Daughter F 12 1879 Scholar
Hilgay, Norfolk
BRUNDLE, Ernest Son M 8 1883 Scholar
Hilgay, Norfolk
COOPER, Elizabeth Servant Single F 14 1877 General Servant Domestic
Littleport, Cambridgeshire
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16 Mar 2013 11:52 |
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Name: Arthur Brundle
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1895
Age at Death: 27
Registration district: Mitford
Inferred County: Norfolk
Volume: 4b
Page: 204
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16 Mar 2013 11:51 |
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not seeing any Carman/Brundle marriages
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16 Mar 2013 11:51 |
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The only ref to Brundle on the 1911 is the yougest daughters name
Name: Arthur Carman
[Arthur Brundle]
Age in 1911: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Fordham, Norfolk
Civil parish: Hockwold cum Wilton
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street Address: Grange Farm, Hockwold , Blackdyke Farm, Brandon Norfolk
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Farmer
Registration district: Swaffham
Registration District Number: 239
Sub-registration district: Methwold
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Household schedule number: 10
Piece: 11719
Household Members:
Name Age
Arthur Carman 42
Jane Rebecca Carman 44
Lissie Carman 17
Edith Brundle Carman 9
Mary Sophia Whitehead 19 servant
Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 11719; Schedule Number: 10.
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16 Mar 2013 11:48 |
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County Norfolk
Place Hilgay
Church All Saints
RegisterNumber 436
MarriageDate 02 Nov 1872
GroomForename Frederick
GroomSurname BRUNDALL
GroomAge 22
GroomParish
GroomCondition Bachelor
GroomOccupation Labourer
GroomAbode Hilgay
BrideForename Elizabeth
BrideSurname CARMAN
BrideAge 22
BrideParish
BrideCondition Spinster
BrideOccupation Labourer
BrideAbode Hilgay
GroomFatherForename Charles
GroomFatherSurname BRUNDALL
GroomFatherOccupation Labourer
BrideFatherForename Riley
BrideFatherSurname CARMAN
BrideFatherOccupation Labourer
WitnessOneForename William
WitnessOneSurname CARMAN
WitnessTwoForename Maria
WitnessTwoSurname ARMSTRONG
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16 Mar 2013 11:47 |
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birth of Arthur - presumable took on name of Brundle, or Frederick Brundle was indeed his father
Births Jun 1869 (>99%)
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Carman Arthur Downham 4b 339
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16 Mar 2013 11:46 |
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Marriages Dec 1872 (>99%)
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Atkins William Downham 4b 984
>>>>BRUNDALE Frederick Downham 4b 984
>>>>Carman Elizabeth Downham 4b 984
Warnes Emma Downham 4b 984
1881
RG number: RG11
Piece: 2005
Folio: 38
Page: 22
Reg. District: Downham
Sub District: Downham
Parish: Hilgay
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Station Drove, Hilgay
County: Norfolk
BRUNDLE, Frederick Head Married M 31 1850 Farmer Of 70 Ac Employing 2 Men 1 Boy
Hilgay, Norfolk
BRUNDLE, Elizabeth Wife Married F 30 1851 Farmers Wife
Denver, Norfolk
>>>>BRUNDLE, Arthur Son Single M 12 1869 Farmers Son
Fordham, Norfolk
BRUNDLE, Albert Son Single M 6 1875 Scholar
Hilgay, Norfolk
BRUNDLE, Ernest Son Single M 4 1877 Scholar
Hilgay, Norfolk
BRUNDLE, Edith Dter Single F 2 1879
Hilgay, Norfolk
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16 Mar 2013 11:43 |
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so the other Arthur
1881 census
Name: Arthur Brundle
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Frederick Brundle
Mother's name: Elizabeth Brundle
Gender: Male
Where born: Fordham, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Hilgay
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street Address: Station Drove
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Farmers Son
Registration district: Downham
Sub-registration district: Downham
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2005
Folio: 38
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
Frederick Brundle 31
Elizabeth Brundle 30
Arthur Brundle 12
Albert Brundle 6
Ernest Brundle 4
Edith Brundle 2
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2005; Folio: 38; Page: 22; GSU roll: 1341484.
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16 Mar 2013 11:43 |
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Baptism
County Norfolk
Place Fordham
Church St Mary Tr
RegisterNumber 277
DateOfBirth
BaptismDate 23 Mar 1869
Forename Arthur
Sex -
FatherForename
MotherForename Elizabeth
FatherSurname
MotherSurname CARMAN
(above is on below, if fitting anywhere)
http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl
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16 Mar 2013 11:41 |
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He isnt with the family in 1881 either
1881 England Census about Riley Carman
Name: Riley Carman
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Carman
Gender: Male
Where born: Denver, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Hilgay
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street Address: The Fen
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:
Employment status:
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Occupation: Agricultural Laborer
Registration district: Downham
Sub-registration district: Downham
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2005
Folio: 32
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
Riley Carman 54
Mary Carman 52
Joseph Carman 17
Sarah A. Carman 15
Emma Carman 10
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2005; Folio: 32; Page: 9; GSU
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16 Mar 2013 11:37 |
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not at home in 1891
1891 England Census about Riley Carman
Name: Riley Carman
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Carman
Gender: Male
Where born: Denver, Norfolk, England
Civil parish: Hilgay
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
Town: Hilgay
County/Island: Norfolk
Country: England
Street Address:6 Sedge Grove
Occupation:Ag kab
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district: Downham
Sub-registration district: Downham
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1572
Folio: 126
Page Number: 4
Household Members:
Name Age
Riley Carman 63
Mary Carman 62
Sarah Ann Carman 23
Emma Carman 20
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 1572; Folio: 126; Page: 4; GSU roll: 6096682.
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16 Mar 2013 11:29 |
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Deaths Dec 1893
Carman Riley 66 Downham 4b 239
Deaths Sep 1885
Carman Mary 56 Downham 4b 199 >>>>>
EDIT >>>>not the right Mary as she is on the 1891 with Riley
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16 Mar 2013 11:23 |
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1871 census transcription details for: Seg Fen Drove Rose Farm, Hilgay
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10
Piece: 1867
Folio: 194
Page: 11
Reg. District: Downham
Sub District: Downham
Parish: Hilgay
Enum. District: 9
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Seg Fen Drove Rose Farm, Hilgay
County: Norfolk
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born
CARMAN, Riley Head M 44 1827 Norfolk
CARMAN, Mary Wife F 43 1828 Norfolk
CARMAN, Abraham Son M 23 1848 Norfolk
CARMAN, William Son M 18 1853 Norfolk
CARMAN, John Son M 15 1856 Norfolk
CARMAN, Susanna Daughter F 14 1857 Norfolk
CARMAN, Mary J Daughter F 10 1861 Norfolk
CARMAN, Joseph Son M 7 1864 Norfolk
CARMAN, Sarah A Daughter F 5 1866 Norfolk
CARMAN, Arthur Son M 2 1869 Norfolk
CARMAN, Emma Daughter F 0 1871 Norfolk
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