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14 Mar 2013 10:33 |
From http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=22519
In North Hill the largest house, and the farthest back from the road, was Park House, which had been converted into a refuge for prostitutes in 1848 and leased as the London Diocesan Penitentiary (later the House of Mercy) in 1855. It had beds for 60 girls in 1877, was taken over by the Clewer Sisters in 1900, and closed in 1940.
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15 Mar 2013 08:08 |
There is a definite link between the Crutchleys & The Billinghams. My grandfather´s sister Louisa Davis married Alfred Crutchley. His parents were William Henry Crutchley 1841-1903 & Hannah Billingham 1841-1900. I suspect that Edwin Billingham was either a son of Bathsheba from a previous marriage or her illegitimate son.
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15 Mar 2013 09:20 |
I'm not entirely sure Fanny was a Crutchley; she seems to have been a Shelvoke. I'm more fascinated to find out why she lived with her gran in 1861 and 1881, yet in 1871 was in a penitentiary at the age of 13. Was she a prostitute or was she just homeless and destitute? I'm also trying to track down Morgans - William married Fanny in 1861 but have hit another brick wall by going down a Griffiths alley. William's dad was William and he married a Mary Griffiths, whose mum Jane lived with them and the kids in 1871 (in Bishops Castle). In 1851 it seems Mary lodged wigth an Ann Pugh in Church St, Bishops Castle, with her pauper husband Samuel. Could be Samuel married Jane (Jones) in 1860. See what I mean? Dead ends and blind alleys.......
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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15 Mar 2013 10:23 |
You know I am wondering if when Fanny was in the penitent house she learn't her trade as a Dressmaker.
I looked all through the census pages for that and it was an Ann who was the head of the place and she was married. They even had an Organist. The youngest child I could see in there was 10 years old.
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15 Mar 2013 10:29 |
1881 England Census about William Morgan Name: William Morgan Age: 19 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relation: Son Father's Name: William Morgan Mother's name: Mary Morgan Gender: Male Where born: Bishops Castle, Shropshire, England Civil parish: Bishops Castle In County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street Address: Horse Fair Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Tailor Registration district: Clun Sub-registration district: Bishops Castle ED, institution, or vessel: 2 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 2620 Folio: 25 Page Number: 23 Household Members: Name Age William Morgan 44 SHOEMAKER Mary Morgan 41 William Morgan 19 TAILOR Henry Morgan 15 Samuel Morgan 13 Emma Morgan 8 Edith Morgan 5 Alfred Morgan 3 Baby Morgan
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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15 Mar 2013 10:36 |
England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about William Morgan Name: William Morgan Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1861 Registration district: Clun Inferred County: Shropshire Volume Number: 6a Page Number: 1137
*****Mary Griffiths Oct-Nov-Dec 1861 Clun Shropshire
Edward Marston Oct-Nov-Dec 1861 Clun Shropshire
***** William Morgan Oct-Nov-Dec 1861 Clun Shropshire
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15 Mar 2013 10:38 |
1861 England Census about Mary Griffiths Name: Mary Griffiths Age: 21 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Samuel Griffiths Mother's name: Jane Griffiths Gender: Female Where born: Bishops Castle, Shropshire, England Civil parish: Bishops Castle County/Island: Shropshire Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Clun Sub-registration district: Bishops Castle ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 136 Piece: 1841 Folio: 45 Page Number: 24 Household Members: Name Age Samuel Griffiths 72 Jane Griffiths 66 Emma Griffiths 24 Mary Griffiths 21 John Griffiths 7 Mary J Griffiths 2
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15 Mar 2013 10:53 |
Thanks for all that. It doesn't help, of course, that in two of the censuses(ii) the birth dates are completely different for the whole family. And it certainly doesn't help when you're chasing Morgans, Griffiths and even Jones's in and around the Welsh border. Everyone was had one of the names and they invariably named their children afterr themselves. As for Fanny, I'm sure you are right and she perhaps learned her trade in the penitentiary. As I said before, I find it fascinating that she lived with gran 10 years before and after, but was for that period locked up. Prostitute at 13? Now there's an ancestor whose life is worth tracing.
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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15 Mar 2013 11:12 |
Parents:Samuel Griffiths, Jane
nameMary Griffiths genderFemale christening date28 Apr 1839 christening placeBISHOPS CASTLE,SHROPSHIRE,ENGLAND
father's nameSamuel Griffiths
mother's name Jane
indexing project (batch) numberC03733-2 system originEngland-ODM gs film number918857 reference id
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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15 Mar 2013 11:19 |
The Samuel Griffiths who married Jane Jones was born in 1836 so not Samuel born 1786/9.
Don't forget most people could,nt read or write in these early years hence the funny spellings of surnames and the way people spoke could be heard wrong.
Also most people did,nt know what year they were born or used the year they were baptised and some were baptised later in life.
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15 Mar 2013 11:27 |
I think since she was a base child, her middle name of Crutchley is there to name the father. It was common practice. So she probably was a Crutchley.
If she was poor and destitute she would have been in the local workhouse, not a penitentiary. So she must have been caught doing something to warrant removal to a penitentiary.
She could of course, be a runaway and used petty crime to survive, before being caught.
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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15 Mar 2013 11:34 |
Is this more likely to be Sam and Jane's wedding licience???????
Samuel Griffiths International Genealogical Index (IGI) marriage_license
Lic. 24 Apr 1832*****************
Hopesay, Shrops., Eng.
birth: abt. 1807 of Hopesay, Shrops., Eng.
spouse:Jane Lucas
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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15 Mar 2013 12:36 |
I should think this is her birth.
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Mary Griffiths Name: Mary Griffiths Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1839 Registration district: Clun Inferred County: Shropshire Volume: 18 Page: 44
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15 Mar 2013 14:21 |
A tree on Ancestry has Fanny´s grandparents as Henry Shelvoke & Sarah Crutchley. They had 3 daughters Fanny 1843, Lucy 1845-1936 & Mary Ann 1848-1901. Fanny´s mother is supposed to be Lucy who married George Lathe 1871. Maybe Fanny was away from home on census night to give the newly weds a break, or maybe Lucy´s new husband didn´t want her daughter. Lucy married for a 2nd time to George Webb 1891 & died 1936 in Cannock. If this tree is correct, Fanny´s 2nd name of Crutchley was her grandmother´s maiden name (although it could possibly be that of her father as well if he was a cousin of Lucy´s) No idea if any of this is accurate as I haven´t checked it out.
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Mel Fairy Godmother
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15 Mar 2013 16:29 |
Marion I did see that tree yesterday.
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15 Mar 2013 16:43 |
Thanks, wisechild. That gives me something I was unable to find on genes. Well, unable to find the way I use it. So it seems Fanny might have been Lucy's daughter and that Sarah was married to a Henry Shelvoke. That would explain the random Shelvoke and would explain the way Lathe appeared. I'd still love to find out what Fanny was doing at that penitentiary when she was 13 - and how long she was there! To have one's ancestor as a lady (or girl) of the night would shut some of my family up!
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15 Mar 2013 16:58 |
Do you think Sarah Crutchley is the Sarah Law with whom Fanny was living in 1891 when she was 23. And the same Sarah Timmins with whom Fanny was living in 1871? If so, she did change her name a few times....
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18 Mar 2013 15:42 |
1881 England Census about Fanny Shelford Name: Fanny Shelford [Fanny Shelvoke] Age: 13 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Gender: Female Where born: Tottenhall Wood, Staffordshire, England [Tettenhall Wood, Staffordshire, England] Civil parish: Hornsey County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Street Address: "North Hill Penitentiary" Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Edmonton Sub-registration district: Hornsey ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1379 Folio: 99 Page Number: 82 Household Members: Name Age Ann Oliver 76 Mary Skene 58 Ann Skene 50 Elizabeth Sykes 26 Charlotte Dennis 21 Mary A. Crapnell 45 Sarah J. Mullins 38 Hannah Cornwall 32 Rosa Dean 22 Alice Chisham 20 Mary Loft 20 Rose Richardson 19 Mary Coombes 29 Elizabeth Bailey 20 Annie Simpson 19 Florence Bushell 17 Emma L. Mariz 23 Christiana Bailey 29 Emma L. Tooley 17 Annie Hawkins 21 Mary A. Dagge 21 Ruth Mason 23 Elizabeth Rowe 19 Anna Barratt 27 Annie Preston 17 Selina Harper 19 Maud Clabby 17 Mary A. Cockman 16 Emma Tubbs 15 Helen Hall 25 Maria G. Jones 20 Susan Reynolds 22 Sarah A. Thompson 17 Mary A.E. Bell 22 Annie Kent 22 Emma E. Carbine 18 Fanny Sholl 16 Sarah Cole 19 Annie Seward 18 Edith Jura 17 Louisa Goddard 15 Jane Mescock 19 Rosanna Stocker 17 Ann Buchan 19 Maud Husbands 15 Harriet Langham 15 Ada Pears 15 Eliza Shaw 22 Rachel Dawson 16 Emily Davis 24 Hannah Brentnell 18 Elizabeth Smith 29 Fanny Shelford 13 Alice E. Williams 12 Mary Clark 13 Margaret Richards 12 Nellie Austin 13 Amy Shay 13 Ellen Farrow 10 Mary Swain 14 Annie E. Langford 21 Frances Iliffe 14 Edith Hall 16 Mary F. Wheeler 23 Elizabeth J. Lock 14 Caroline Doyle 22 Ellen Bowyer 18
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Shirley~I,m getting the hang of it
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18 Mar 2013 16:06 |
She is described as a penitent and is with other woman ,it wasn't a prison .
"In North Hill the largest house, and the farthest back from the road, was > Park House, which had been converted into a refuge for prostitutes in 1848 > and leased as the London Diocesan Penitentiary (later the House of Mercy) > in > 1855. It had beds for 60 girls in 1877, was taken over by the Clewer > Sisters > in 1900, and closed in 1940, (fn. 2) although the building survived until > the flats of Hillcrest were laid out. (fn. 3)" > > Stanford's 1862 suburban map (though 20 years too early) shows the streets > and buildings clearly
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18 Mar 2013 16:32 |
Here's a bit about the penitentiary, which suggests that destitute women were there as well as prostitutes. Maybe it was to save them from having to become prostitutes. There's also mention of vocational training.
" “A House of Mercy” was published in March of 1858 in the first issue of the journal. The unsigned article takes the reader on a tour of the London Diocesan Penitentiary at Highgate—a shelter and house of industry established by the Church of England for the physical rehabilitation, vocational training, and moral reform of street prostitutes and destitute women. The editorial decision to run an article dealing with one of the culture’s most threatening figures in the journal’s first issue signaled the EWJ’s willingness to take risks. At the same time, the writer was quick to stress the utter respectability of Highgate Penitentiary, perhaps to avoid offending readers, and to protect the journal from moral critique. A detailed description of the spare, spotless interior of the dormitories near the beginning of the article resembles those found in many a domestic novel. It comforts the reader with the assurance of piety and feminine modesty, character traits desired by the institution for its inmates, referred to as “girls” throughout. The girls are observed by the writer of the article, but are kept at a safe, non-contaminating distance; she never speaks to one of them directly, only to the warden of the institution, who acts as their representative. Like many accounts of the “fallen woman” emerging at mid-century, the writer cannot resist aestheticizing and sentimentalizing the “penitents” as beautiful, frail victims. Upon closer inspection, however, she declares that some are “decidedly plain, and three at least were almost idiotic-looking” (21). What we encounter in the article, then, is a relative mix of versions of the fallen woman: those truly repentant of their sins are rehabilitated and exhibit a “latent love of poetry” (24), while others are recalcitrant, pine for their old ways, and seem “possessed with a devil” (19)."
That's from here: http://www.branchcollective.org/?ps_articles=janice-schroeder-on-the-english-womans-journal-1858-62
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