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Mel your right about emma warman and william bone also rose warman and walter gardiner, but I don't know where this elizabeth worman fits in the only elizabeth I know of is my great grandmother elizabeth who married george.

Morning

Maureen the witnesses to Elisabeth's wedding were Joseph Nathan and Rose Embleton her married sister.

Rogers grandmother's marriage.

Emma Warman abt 1880 7 Dec 1902 William James Bone Walworth St Peter

Father George horse keeper.

Oh bother again

The Elizabeth Worman marriage to Marshall I think from memory has George making his mark and a Rose Worman as witnesses.

Wish Roger would answer questions

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Rose Warman
Name: Rose Warman
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Age: 21
Spouse Name: Walter Gardiner
Spouse Age: 25
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 8 Jun 1896
Parish: Walworth All Saints
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: George Warman Horse Keeper
Spouse Father Name: George Gardiner Tanner
Register Type: Parish Register

One of the witnesses is George Warman and he made his markX

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Robert Warman
Name: Robert Warman
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Age: 19
Spouse Name: Annetta Embleton
Spouse Age: 18
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 1 Dec 1878
Parish: Camberwell Emmanuel
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: George Warman HORSE KEEPER
Spouse Father Name: Roberg Embleton PLASTERER
Register Type: Parish Register

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Fanny Worman
Name: Fanny Worman
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Age: 19
Spouse Name: Harry John Bull
Spouse Age: 20
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 16 Nov 1885
Parish: Walworth St John the Evangelist
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: George Worman Horse Keeper
Spouse Father Name: William Bull Tea Cooper
Register Type: Parish Register

Don't think we have this census up but it may be helpfull as to other children who have married to see if any of them have either parents with them on the 1901 census.

1871 England Census
about George Worman
Name: George Worman
[George Warman]
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Worman
Gender: Male
Where born: Southwark, St George
Civil parish: St Mary Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: St Mary Newington
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 193
Piece: 623
Folio: 122
Page Number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
George Worman 33
Elizabeth Worman 32
George Worman 16
Mary E Worman 13
Edward Worman 12
Fanny Worman 8
Maria Worman 2
Robert Worman 10

Yes wrong family.

1881 England Census
about Ellen Worman
Name: Ellen Worman
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George Worman
Mother's name: Elizabeth Worman
Gender: Female
Where born: New Malden, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Kingston on Thames
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street Address: Penrith Road
Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Kingston
Sub-registration district: Kingston
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 833
Folio: 17
Page Number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
George Worman 39
Elizabeth Worman 34
Lizzie Worman 4
Ellen Worman 1
William F. Milton 70 Father in law
Sarah Milton 63 Mother in law

Look at the address it is Penrith Road. So probate for George Worman in 1906 is not our man and neither is Elizabeth Worman 1914/15.

Maureen I have now found the probate for Elizabeth Worman abt 1846 in 1915. This is the wife of George who died in 1906 as the address is 22 Penrith Road New Malden but she has left her money to Ellen Worman spinster.

This Elizabeth would have been too young I think??

As far as we can see George and Elizabeth did'nt have a daughter Ellen.

I am going to have a look and see if I can find Ellen Worman.

So at the moment ruling out the 1911 census

First because Elizabeth WORMAN married Alfred Marshall

Second the probate I think rules him out as well



Agree with you Mel

Marriages Mar 1924 (>99%)
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Eeles Frank S Perks Edmonton 3a 691
Mason Christopher J Warman Edmonton 3a 691
PERKS Eva D Eales Edmonton 3a 691
Warman Lilian R Mason Edmonton 3a 691


Births Sep 1895 (>99%)
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Warman Lilian Rosetta Edmonton 3a 426

Roger the death of George Warman in 1923, probate 1924 reads as this.

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
about George Warman
Name: George Warman
Probate Date: 7 Feb 1924
Death Date: 18 Dec 1923
Death Place: Middlesex, England
Registry: London, England



Warman George of 9 High St Ponders End Middx died 18th Dec 1923 Probate London 7 Feb to Lillian Rosetta Masan (wife of Chrisopher James Masan).
Effects £208. 5s. 4d.

I think the first one I put up is a better bet in 1906 which means that Elizabeth was still alive in 1906.

Would still like to know if Roger has found George in 1901 as it would help to find a death for Elizabeth.

Daughter Elizabeth married as Worman to Alfred Marshall.

Had this message from Roger.

Hi Mel

I've got all the details about their children it's just Elizabeth Warman's death date I haven't got yet.. My Grandmother was Emma Bone (nee Warman)

regards
Roger

Name: Maria Warman
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Age: 26
Spouse Name: William Millard
Spouse Age: 38
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 22 Dec 1894
Parish: Walworth All Saints
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: George Warman
Spouse Father Name: Absalom Millard
Register Type: Parish Register



George is not with William and Maria in 1901 either

Went off to watch the Comic Relief programme

Wish Roger would come back and say if he has found George or Elizabeth in 1901

Thankyou for the info it is very helpful

Roger

England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
about George Worman
Name: George Worman
Probate Date: 24 Nov 1906
Death Date: 10 Jul 1906
Death Place: Surrey, England
Registry: London, England


Worman George of 11 Penrith Rd New Maldon Surrey died 10th July 1906 at the London Hospital Middlesex Probate London 24th November to Elizabeth Worman Effects £728.

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
about Eliza Susan Worman
Name: Eliza Susan Worman

Born Jan 5 1863*******************

Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 25 Jan 1863
Father's Name: George Worman
Mother's name: Elizabeth Worman
Parish or Poor Law Union: Newington St Mary
Borough: Southwark
Register Type: Parish Registers

Paragon Row and George is a Horse Keeper.