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10 Mar 2013 10:56 |
So William Percy G Course (1886) stays in London with his Mother Annie, so needs finding in 1891. Annie marriages Mr Partridge? As Harry Partridge is born in 1878, he is not a son of Annie but of Mr Partridge and a previous wife?
Annie's first wedding: Marriages Sep 1875 COURSE Albert Cambridge 3b 835 TURNER Anne Cambridge 3b 835
so does Annie then marry Mr Herniman and then Mr Partridge (1897)?
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10 Mar 2013 11:21 |
Annie Partridge and William Percy Course 1911 census Name: Annie Partridge Age in 1911: 55 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relation to Head: Head Gender: Female Birth Place: Islington, London, England Civil parish: Hove County/Island: Sussex Country: England Street Address: 22 Westbourne Gdns Hove Sussex Marital Status: Widowed Registration district: Steyning Registration District Number: 80 Sub-registration district: Hove ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Household schedule number: 196 Piece: 5199 Annie Partridge 55 married 34 years 8 children 7 living. Percy Comes 25 son grocer's assistant Kings Cross Clifford Roberts 63 Mabel Mead 14 Margaret Bridge Mignon 72 Source Citation: Class: RG14; Piece: 5199; Schedule Number: 196.
If married 34 years, then married in 1876 to 1877, which could be bad arithmetic for her first marriage in Cambridge.
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10 Mar 2013 11:27 |
1901 England Census Name: Anne Partridge Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: John Partridge Mother's name: Anne Turner Gender: Female Where born: Islington, London, England Civil parish: Aldrington Ecclesiastical parish: St Leonard County/Island: Sussex Country: England Registration district: Steyning Sub-registration district: Shoreham ED, institution, or vessel: 31 Household schedule number: 190 Piece: 939 Folio: 91 Page Number: 26 John Partridge 49 coachman Eastnor Hereford Anne Partridge 45 Percy Partridge 15 Henry Partridge 13 Anne Turner 71 mother-in-law widowed St Andrews, London, Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 939; Folio: 91; Page: 26.
There is another John and Annie on the censuses, but my ancestry has just shut down so will have to stop for now.
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Graham
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10 Mar 2013 11:42 |
as i believe from 1891 England Census Albert Course Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857 Relation: Head Married Gender: Male Where born: Cambridgeshire, England correct Civil parish: Chadwell St Mary Ecclesiastical parish: Chadwell St Mary County/Island: Essex Country: England Registration district: Orsett Sub-registration district: Orsett correct
Albert Course 34 ------ggfather
Ernest Course 14------son George Course 11------son
harry partridge who died in 1974 bournemouth father Herniman? (possibly~~) if mr Herniman is in the loop, he i believe commited suicide in the river Lee
however Anne aged 2 in 1881 census and william p born 1886 and his step brother harry partridge seemed to have stayed together.
i also just put that Alfred died in 1955 and was listed as deceased in 1911. this information is from the marriage cert of my grandfather william p course in brighton (why is this??)
all very intriguing
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patchem
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10 Mar 2013 11:45 |
He is not necessarily referring to his Father but to his step-father as being deceased in 1911.
Added: And/or Annie has told him that his Father is dead, otherwise how could she marry Mr Partridge.
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Graham
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10 Mar 2013 11:51 |
Albert Course 34 ------is my ggfather
someone mentioned anne partridge married to albert course ------anne turner married albert course in cambridge--- g
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MarieCeleste
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10 Mar 2013 11:52 |
So is this the George Dixon referred to?
British Army WWI Pension Records 1914-1920 Name: George Dixon Course Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885 Age at enlistment: 19 Birth Parish: Hammersmith Birth County: Middlesex Document Year: 1904 Regimental Number: 4058 Regiment Name: Royal Artillery Number of images: 17
Father = Albert, wife = Grace Charlotte Manson?
According to the records, Albert was living at 11 Calcutta Road when George enlisted in 1899
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MarieCeleste
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10 Mar 2013 11:55 |
Graham, when I'm doing my own research I tend to ignore family lore and put it on the back burner. Once I've established hard facts by finding and verifying records I then use the family stories to put the meat on the bones. Very often there are inconsistencies between what has been told and what is correct. :-)
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MarieCeleste
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10 Mar 2013 11:58 |
Albert and Anne's marriage:
Albert Course, "England, Marriages, 1538–1973 "
Name: Albert Course Birth Date: 1851 Birthplace: Age: 24 Spouse's Name: Anne Turner Spouse's Birth Date: 1855 Spouse's Age: 20 Event Date: 26 Aug 1875 Event Place: Saint Paul,Cambridge,Cambridge,England Father's Name: William Course Spouse's Father's Name: William Turner
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M13802-1 System Origin: England-ODM GS Film number: 1040431 Reference ID: Citing this Record https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NVCG-TLF
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MarieCeleste
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10 Mar 2013 12:01 |
If the father is ALBERT Course, then who is ALFRED? (Would someone explain to me in easy words?! - perhaps I shouldn't have had that extra glass last night!)
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Graham
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10 Mar 2013 12:04 |
yes this is him I do know quite a lot about George Dixon now but cannot find anyone how can comment on events . His wife is Charlotte Munson :-)
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MarieCeleste
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10 Mar 2013 12:22 |
Albert's birth year is way out on this 1901 but it's definitely the address referred to on his son's service records:
CRIBB, Mary A Head Widow F 55 1846 Newsagent Kingwood, Hampshire CRIBB, Thomas Son Single M 23 1878 Dock Labourer Sittingbourne, Kent COURSE, Albert Boarder Single M 58 1843 Dock Labourer Cambridge ENDLE, George Boarder Single M 60 1841 Dock Labourer Cambridge BLANCHARD, William Boarder Single M 56 1845 Engineers Labourer Bromley, London
Piece: 1661 Folio: 98 Page: 33 Registration District: Orsett Civil Parish: Chadwell St Mary
Address: 11, Calcutta Road, Chadwell St Mary, Tilbury County: Essex
So was Anne a bigamist?
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MarieCeleste
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10 Mar 2013 12:36 |
Re: the 1901 that Patchem posted above, I do think that's the right one. I've looked at the other John & Anne (and variants) Partridges on the 1901 and the birthplaces just don't fit. The clincher is her mother Anne Turner living with them.
But there is no mention of a Harry born 1878? Harry is very often a nickname for Henry but the lad of that name with the family was born 1888?
EDIT: Is Percy Partridge on the 1901 actually Percy Course recorded under stepfather's name?
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10 Mar 2013 12:39 |
If George and William's father is Albert and not Alfred then this must be the correct death?:
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 Name: Albert E Course Birth Date: abt 1850 Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1923 Age at Death: 73 Registration district: Orsett Inferred County: Essex Volume: 4a Page: 530
Graham - can you give us the details of the death that you have noted for the father of William and George?
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patchem
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10 Mar 2013 12:59 |
This could be birth of John Partridge - if that Eastnor Herefordshire in 1901 is correct place, but age out: Births Mar 1846 Partridge John Ledbury 26 195
If Annie married as Herniman, have we found that marriage or her in 1891??
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MarieCeleste
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10 Mar 2013 13:08 |
I think this is John Partridge and first wife in 1891 (his wife is actually 39)
BEARDSLEY, Edward Servant Single M 28 1863 Gardener Nottinghamshire POWELL, Edward Servant Single M 17 1874 Gardener Apprentice Pencoed, Glamorganshire THEOBALD, Thomas Servant Single M 25 1866 Groom Kent MARSHALL, George Servant Single M 30 1861 Groom Shropshire FUNNELL, George Servant Single M 29 1862 Groom Northamptonshire ROGERS, Richard Servant Single M 25 1866 Groom London PARTRIDGE, John Servant Married M 40 1851 Coachman Herefordshire PARTRIDGE, Emily Servant Married F 89 1802 London
Piece: 4454 Folio: 4 Page: 1 Registration District: Bridgend Civil Parish: St Brides Major
Address: Dunraven Stables, Sea Mouth, St Brides Major, Southerndown County: Glamorganshire
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10 Mar 2013 13:15 |
This fits with the birth I found 1871 England Census John Partridge Age: 26 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Emily Partridge Gender: Male Where born: Easton, Herefordshire, England Civil parish: St George Hanover Square Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St George Hanover Square Sub-registration district: Hanover Square ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Household schedule number: 91 Piece: 95 Folio: 60 Page Number: 18 John Partridge 26 domestic coachman Emily Partridge 22 Yeovil Somerset Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 95; Folio: 60; Page: 18; GSU roll: 824587.
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10 Mar 2013 13:19 |
1881 England Census John Partridge Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Emily Partridge Gender: Male Where born: Eastmar, Hereford, England Civil parish: St George County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 24 Cock Yard Condition as to marriage: Married Occupation: Coachman Registration district: Chelsea Sub-registration district: Hanover Square ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Piece: 91 Folio: 72 Page Number: 16 John Partridge 33 Emily Partridge 32 Peter T. Hardwicke 8 adopted son Chelsea William Tarling 17 Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 91; Folio: 72; Page: 16; GSU roll: 1341020.
? Peter Taylor Hardwicke Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1872 Registration district: Chelsea Inferred County: London Volume: 1a Page: 282
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MarieCeleste
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10 Mar 2013 13:35 |
If John and Emily are together in the 1891 then I don't think the two lads on the 1901 census are his sons.
I'm blowed if I can find Annie and those two boys in 1891.
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MarieCeleste
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10 Mar 2013 13:52 |
Found Anne's mother in 1891 with one of her grandsons:
TURNER, Ann Head Widow F 61 1830 Lodging House Keeper St Andrews, London COURSE, Albert Grandson M 14 1877 Scholar Lambeth, London FRISBY, Charles Lodger Widower M 53 1838 Painter Cambridge
Piece: 1285 Folio: 102 Page: 3 Registration District: Cambridge Civil Parish: Cambridge Municipal Borough: Cambridge
Address: 15, Norwich Street, Cambridge County: Cambridgeshire
(Not seeing this Albert on any other census)
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