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Have now found that Eliza was married before she did or didn't marry charles someone in the family seemed to remember it was to someone name rogers and they had a son albert she would have had to have been young as she was with charles in 1864 any help please
Jackie

thanks think you are probably right thanks for all your help
jackie

Jackie, I don't think you'll be able to find what isn't there!

It's highly probable that they never actually married - many people didn't.

Still have not found charles and eliza's marriage any idea's where else to look? charles and eliza appear on the 1871 cencus together thier oldest son being 7 so have been looking from1860 to 1875 but no luck just hope i'm missing somthing and someone else will see it
thanks
Jackie

thats really great don't know why i carn't find these things out all boils down to experiance i suppose.
thank you so much
Jackie
sorry so long answering been a busy night

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Maria Clift
gender: Female
christening date: 04 Feb 1816
christening place: MINCHINHAMPTON,GLOUCESTER,ENGLAND
father's name: John Clift
mother's name: Sarah
indexing project (batch) number: C04900-2
system origin: England-ODM
gs film number: 857040, 857041

Sister, witness on marriage certificate
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Esther Clift
gender: Female
christening date: 25 Aug 1811
christening place: MINCHINHAMPTON,GLOUCESTER,ENGLAND
father's name: John Clift
mother's name: Sarah
indexing project (batch) number: C04900-2
system origin: England-ODM
gs film number: 857040, 857041

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1841 England Census
James Melhuish Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Gender: Male Civil parish: Hempstead
Hundred: Dudstone and Kings Barton (Middle Division)
County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England
Registration district: Gloucester Sub-registration district: South Hamlet
Piece: 355 Book: 12 Folio: 7 Page Number: 10
Charles Arnold 25
Ann Arnold 24
William Hewell 17
John Melhuish 35 not local labourer
James Melhuish 4 not local
Frederick Melhuish 2 not local


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Groom Surname Groom Forename Bride Surname Bride Forename District Parish Building Year Register Entry
MELHUISH John CLIFT Maria Gloucester Hempsted St Swithun 1843 43 No 1 170

The free bmd has her as Cleft, and has had postems added:

17.9.1843 in Parish Church, Hempstead John Melhuish, Widower, Labourer to Maria Clift, spinster both of full age.
Fathers - Andrew Melhuish, Fuller and John Clift (Sorry - I can't deciper John's occupation but I think it says 'plasterer').
Witnesses - Joseph Jordan and Esther Clift (who left her mark, not signature) and Charles Gibbs Parish Clerk.

Could you post the 1851 census with Charles (and John Joseph?) on it?
Thanks

Added;
1851 England Census
John Melhuish Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Maria Melhuish
Gender: M (Male) Where born: Exetar (Exeter)
Civil parish: Gloucester St Owen County/Island: Gloucestershire Country: England
Occupation: Fellmonger?
Registration district: Gloucester Sub-registration district: St John the Baptist
ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Household schedule number: 10 Piece: 1962 olio: 239 Page Number: 9
John Melhuish 45
Maria Melhuish 38 Gloucestershire
James Melhuish 13 Exeter
Charles Melhuish 4
Andrew Melhuish 2
Humphry Matthews 24
Esther Clifte 42

thanks all for your help with charles as seem to have all info on him at the moment could anyone help with his father his name was john joseph melhuih at least this is whats on charles marriage cert to emma he was born in 1806 he was married to someone name maria this is all i know about him.
thank you
jackie

she didn't have any children with smith suppose she could have two surnames but why put pegler on two boys and not on kates could get kates birth cert to find out her mothers name prob best.
thanks

Could there be 2 Elizas - Pegler the mother of the two boys and Eastmeath the mother of Kate?

Was the Eliza on the 1871 actually the Eastmeath Eliza? Or was it the same Eliza known by two surnames? (Just at a guess I'd say the latter)

I guess the birth certificate of one of the children she had with Smith might clarify.

have john georges birth cert 17/7/1874
and eliza pegler was his mother

sorry so long in answering,
that could be Eliza in 51 but as haven't found her marriage to charles I don't know her fathers name,
It was the younger child that was eastmeath so don't know who her mother was, I did think perhaps charles had kate with someone else and she died so eliza took her in but its just a thought who knows.
Jackie

BUT - the elder child on the 1871 had mmn Eastmeath so was Eliza actually Eastmeath and the two boys were to another wife?

EDIT: it was, of course, the youngest child, who was Eastmeath.

Given Eliza's birthplace on the 1871 and the mmn on the births that Chris posted, could this be Eliza in 1851?

PEGLER, James Head Married M 38 1813 Labourer Wotton under Edge, Gloucestershire
PEGLER, Ann Wife Married F 40 1811 Wotton under Edge, Gloucestershire
PEGLER, Eliza Daughter F 6 1845 Wotton under Edge, Gloucestershire

Piece: 1958 Folio: 113 Page: 7
Registration District: Dursley
Civil Parish: Wotton under Edge

Address: Church Street, Wotton Under Edge County: Gloucestershire

so he's either lying or this isn't the correct charles george although everything points to it being him. it is interesting that they ended up in london and birmingham.
still no sign of eliza's marriage to charles but they prob wern't married
thanks Jackie

Child Surname Child Forename Father Surname Mother Surname Mother's Former Name

MELHUISH Andrew James MELHUISH MELHUISH PEGLER 1866 Gloucester Gloucester, St Nicholas 16 217
MELHUISH John George MELHUISH MELHUISH PEGLER 1864 Gloucester Gloucester, St Nicholas

MELHUISH Kate Anna Maria MELHUISH MELHUISH EASTMEATH 1869 Gloucester Gloucester, St Nicholas

(above from below link)


http://ww3.gloucestershire.gov.uk/bmd/MainMenu.aspx


Deaths Sep 1871 (>99%)
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Melhuish Kate Ann M 2 Gloucester 6a 165

Chris :)


Marriages Sep 1880 (>99%)
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Hayes Emma Mary Lambeth 1d 544
MELHUISH Charles George Lambeth 1d 544


Postems for this entry:02/12/2010 27.9.80 in Parish Church, Kennington. Charles George widower, engineer. Father John Joesph Melhuish Decd.
Emma Mary Hayes, spinster, Father William Hayes, Builder
Both of Kennington Lane.
Witnesses William Hayes, Emma Eagle

You could get Charles's marriage certificate to Emma to see what he claims to be - single or widowed, for confirmation and interest.
He has gone to London and his first wife to Birmingham, so that is interesting.

well did think that so charles must have been a bigamist and eliza just took the smith name although her children were still melhuish
Jackie

Do you really think they married? Unlikely.