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I've been searching for children who may have been born to Jane when she married Joseph Alexander. Sadly she was only married 2 years before she died, but during that period there are quite a few children with that surname.

Has anyone any access to records where we can see the mmn (Quinlan or Bovenizer) to see whether there were in fact any off-spring.

Unfortunately Lancashirebmd only covers Salford up to 1905, that would probably be the place to find mmn. There are not that many children born, you could try eliminating them by using 1911 census - I looked at Joseph as a likely candidate, but think he's on 1911 with his family.

Thanks Flip. I'll check out the Census for them. I think I saw 7 or 8 on the births from 1906-08 the other day, so will look and eliminate as you suggest.

The only other site I could suggest would be Lancashire opc, but there are no bapisms 5 years either side of 1908 with a surname Quinlan - but then again it's probably too late for their records anyway.

Oh, its so frustrating, Flip! I've just eliminated most of the children I'd found for that period (and a bit earlier, just in case bad habits ran in the family!). To no avail. I've also looked for Jane's husband, Joseph, to see where he may have been living on the 1911 Census and after Jane's death, but nothing!

I've just looked at the Lancashire bmd and it seems that some records aren't indexed, its a case of contacting the records office.

I just thought Jane might have had a child during her short marriage which resulted in a new generation.

This family! They've been so problematic.

I guess there's no electoral roll for King William Street for 1908 which might give some info - but I'll have a google around I think

Just found a good 'Lancashire Parish Clerk Online Project' link which is really helpful & shows jane's marriage details but sadly the link doesn't include deaths - only marriages & baptisms. I just wanted to see if there was any more info about her burial etc.

Oh well - I'll keep on trucking!

If you look at the coverage of births on Lancashirebmd the Salford ones stop at 1905 - so really frustrating as you say. Have you looked for births under her maiden name Bovenzier [not sure if I've spelt this right, been a few days since I've looked at this] (or derivataves of this) or Quinlan during the period 1901-6 to try to eliminate them?

Although there appears to be quite a lot of Quinlan's around Salford during the time period, so makes that angle difficult. I think Martin's death cert may hold further clues, but it depends on whether you are sufficiently related to this family & decide whether you continue the research. Are you descended from one of Martin's children and if so which one? Or is this just extended family?

It's up to you, but I think you need to decide how much you want to get involved into this branch of your family.

Yes, we're going to apply for the DC tomorrow.

Martin was my husband's great-grandfather and so, yes, we really want to push it as far as we can. When we get the DC, then that will determine if we go any further.

I have appreciated all your help in this. Thank you very much.

Do come back on here with the details as soon as you receive them.

Dea Xxx

In the meantime, whilst waiting for the DC have you looked for Martin's father or his birth? Father named on his marriage as Martin (or could it be Maurice) I'm not sure which - but I'm not seeing a birth for him in Limerick.

But, as Dea says come back with the death details please.

Thanks both. Yes, I'll definitely report back on here with my findings.

think Martin's father was called Martin.

What about this baptism in 1866, birth 06/11/1866 and birth registration aren't they both the same person. Jane as Boveniser also registered in Kilrush.
According to Google Kilrush and Kilkee are about 12 minuets apart

Name: Martin Quinlan
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 6 Nov 1866
Birth Place: Kilkee, Clare, Ireland
Baptism Place: Kilkee, Clare, Ireland
Father's Name: Maurice Quinlan
Mother's name: Mary Kennerk
FHL Film Number: 101138

AND

Civil Registratio Birth Index
Name: Martin Quinlan
Date of Registration: 1866
Registration district: Kilrush
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 19
Page: 395
FHL Film Number: 101043


Name: Jane Bovenizer
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1881
Registration district: Kilrush
Birth Country: Ireland
Volume: 4
Page: 339
FHL Film Number: 101058

Found this

Name: Mary Kennerk
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 15 Mar 1876
Birth Place: Limerick, Ireland
Father's Name: Edmond Kennerk
Father's Birth Place: Cragmore
Mother's name: Catherine Kennerk Ivess
FHL Film Number: 255956

I think the one born in 1866 is a different family. 'Our' Jane was born 1880/81 and those other names don't fit in (well, not that we've found thus far). Nothing surprises me in all this!

thanks anyway

So was Jane the right Jane, she married as Bovenizer

She was born as Bovenizer. Her father died and her mother, Sarah, married Martin Quinlan. She was definitely born around 1880/81 - the age on her marriage details to Joseph Alexander.

Re the Alexander-Bovenizer marr:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FMYP-1P9
I read the other witness as George Lihau.
Lihou is a common name in Guernsey, for what that's worth.

HLH - lancsBMD has no mum's MS on any Salford births.
I don't know what their plans are, but what happened for Wigan & Leigh RD was they first got all the births indexed thru 1950, then went back and retro-fitted the mum's MS, working on 3-4 subdistricts until they'd gotten the mum's MS on the index, then they started on another set of subdistricts. For Wigan & Leigh thru 1950-ish, the initial indexing of births was completed Feb 2009, deaths May 2010. Retrofitting started June 2010 and was completed Feb 2013.

Salford seem to be adding an initial set of births at a rate slightly faster than a years-worth per month, so probably in 3 months time they'll have thru 1908 done. This would show the subdistrict for all Alexander births. This might be of use to you, especially if you knew which subdistrict Janie died in.

thanks mgnv - very useful info. the only thing I know of Janie's death is that it was the last quarter of 1908, she was aged 28 and the reg district was Salford.

my aim was to find out what became of her husband and if there were any children. will keep my eye on the Salford records in 3 months time - that might shed some more light.

have a good weekend.

I wonder if this is Joseph Alexander - his occupation is stone mason. He's down as a boarder, but I think he is Margaret's brother (there's a marriage for Margaret Alexander in Salford 1898 to Alfred Damiral

Joseph Alexander
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Stretford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Barton upon Irwell
Sub-registration district: Stretford
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 84
Piece: 3664
Folio: 116
Page Number: 8
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Damiral 27
Margaret Damiral 22
Alfred Damiral 2
Milicent M Damiral 9 Months
Joseph Alexander 20

And in 1891, father a stone mason born Scotland:


Joe Alexander
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph Alexander
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Pendleton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Pendleton
ED, institution, or vessel: 49
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 3208
Folio: 154
Page Number: 31
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Alexander 44
Mary Alexander 42
Tom Alexander 20
Willie Alexander 15
Maggie Alexander 12
Joe Alexander 9
Dalfras Alexander 4
Hannah Alexander 35
Mary Alexander 14
Thomas Alexander 12

The parents were in Regent Road area of Salford in 1901, but by 1911 Mary is a widow. At least it gives a place of birth to try to find him in 1911 (but no luck so far). His birth appears to be reg Q4/1882 W.Derby