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PricklyHolly
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18 Feb 2013 21:35 |
I would be inclined to purchase a copy of Leonard and Nellie's marriage certificate..........at least that way you will know for sure if it's the right couple.
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Wendy
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18 Feb 2013 20:32 |
There is definitely quite a few links there that are possibilities
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PricklyHolly
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18 Feb 2013 13:39 |
Amelia married under the surname of Roundhill.......
Marriages Jun 1893 (>99%) Roundhill Amelia Hunslet 9b 483 Wainwright Thomas Hunslet 9b 483
1901 England Census about Amelia Wainwright Name: Amelia Wainwright Age: 32 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869 Relation: Wife Spouse's Name: Thomas Wainwright Gender: Female Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Hunslet Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Hunslet Sub-registration district: Hunslet ED, institution, or vessel: 59 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 250 Piece: 4196 Folio: 113 Page Number: 35 Household Members: Name Age Thomas Wainwright 30 (Tobacconist's Traveller) Amelia Wainwright 32 Ernest Wainwright 5 Marion Wainwright 7 Months John Wainwright 78 (Father) Retired Tobacconist
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Wendy
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18 Feb 2013 13:22 |
I've got that one, they had 2 children together. I think one of the children is called May. Will confirm all details I have later today.
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PricklyHolly
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18 Feb 2013 13:16 |
It seems Mary Ellen Roundhill went on to marry William Pitts who appears as "Housekeeper" in the 1911 census...........
Marriages Jun 1915 (>99%) Pitts William Roundhill Leeds 9b 1108 Roundhill Mary E Pitts Leeds 9b 1108
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about Mary E Pitts Name: Mary E Pitts Birth Date: abt 1870 Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1933 Age at Death: 63 Registration district: Leeds South Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume: 9b Page: 468
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18 Feb 2013 11:51 |
Amelia appears as "Donever" in the 1891 census and she is still with the Earnsahaw family........
1891 England Census about John G Earnshaw Name: John G Earnshaw Age: 49 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Earnshaw Gender: Male Where born: Beeston Leeds, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Hunslet Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Hunslet Sub-registration district: Hunslet ED, institution, or vessel: 41 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3666 Folio: 6 Page Number: 8 Household Members: Name Age John G Earnshaw 49 Elizabeth Earnshaw 42 George W Earnshaw 22 Jonas W Earnshaw 20 Albert Earnshaw 18 Clara Earnshaw 14 Amelia Dovener 22 (Cousin) Hunslet Yorkshire Mary J Whitmore 22
Marriages Dec 1865 (>99%) Earnshaw Godfrey John Hunslet 9b 462 Hemingway Elizabeth Hunslet 9b 462
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Wendy
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18 Feb 2013 11:37 |
The Bridlington link does look interesting as there is a link to Mary Ellen to Bridlington.
I'm wondering whether Leonard Walker was in the navy as to why they married in Portsmouth. From what I can work out Ellen would have been nearly 3 months pregnant with their first child Leonard when the married. They married in Dec and Leonard was born the following June.
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Mary
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18 Feb 2013 11:33 |
There is someone on here with leonard 1893 and Ellen Roundhill.
Maybe its worth contacting them.
Maryb.
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18 Feb 2013 11:11 |
John appears as "Dovener" in the 1891 cencus......
(Dovener on the image)
1891 England Census about John Thomas Danner Name: John Thomas Danner Age: 24 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Ellen Danner Gender: Male Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Leeds Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour Town: Leeds County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
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Employment status: View image Registration district: Leeds Sub-registration district: South East Leeds ED, institution, or vessel: 36 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 3686 Folio: 48 Page Number: 8 Household Members: Name Age John Thomas Danner 24 Mary Ellen Danner 24 Thomas William Danner 3/12 George B Adcock 19 (Nephew)
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PricklyHolly
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18 Feb 2013 11:00 |
I already posted that 1911 census Mary with Father John Gray Walker. As you can see from the census.........Leonards occupation at that time is an Iron Turner. His Brother Fred is the Machine Fitter..
West Yorkshire, Non-Conformist Records, 1646-1985 about Amelia Dovener Name: Amelia Dovener Birth Date: 24 Mar 1869 Event Type: Baptism Father: John Dovener Mother: Alice Roundhill Baptism Date: 8 Nov 1880 Archive Location: Leeds Parish or Chapel: Bethel Chapel, Holbeck Reel Number: Beeston Hill, Beeston, Gildersome, Holbeck, Hunslet, Leeds, New Wortley; LNC 4
West Yorkshire, Non-Conformist Records, 1646-1985 about John Thomas Dovener Name: John Thomas Dovener Birth Date: 17 Dec 1861 ?? Event Type: Baptism Father: John Dovener Mother: Alice Roundhill Baptism Date: 8 Nov 1880 Archive Location: Leeds Parish or Chapel: Bethel Chapel, Holbeck Reel Number: Beeston Hill, Beeston, Gildersome, Holbeck, Hunslet, Leeds, New Wortley; LNC 4
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Mary
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18 Feb 2013 10:58 |
1911 Horsforth Leonard Walker Machine fitter (same as on birth cert for Jack 1928) born 1893 Horsforth John Gray Walker 1850 horsforth a Joiner. Elizabeth wife married 14 years no children.
1901 John Gray Walker with Elizabeth. John Gray Walker married Elizabeth Tunstall in Bradford 1899.
Leonard baptised by John G Walker and Phoebe. John G Walker married Mary lofthouse in Guisley 1872. 1881 John at home with parents Benjamin 1808 a Joiner and Isabella 1807 ,John is a widow with sons Joseph 9 John B 5 Ernest 4.
I can't see a marriege for John Gray Walker and Phoebe.
Death Leonard Walker born @ 1893 died Leeds 1942 9b 266.
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PricklyHolly
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18 Feb 2013 10:37 |
This is interesting............
Here is Mary Ellen Wallis with her Father Robert Wallis (A Fisherman) in the 1881 census.
1881 England Census about Robert Wallis Name: Robert Wallis Age: 41 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ann E. Wallis Gender: Male Where born: Brid Quay, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Bridlington County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address: 4 Garden Walk Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Fisherman Registration district: Bridlington Sub-registration district: Bridlington ED, institution, or vessel: 8 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4798 Folio: 161 Page Number: 27 Household Members: Name Age Robert Wallis 41 (Fisherman) Ann E. Wallis 38 George W. Wallis 17 Robert T. Wallis 16 Ann E. Wallis 12 Mary E. Wallis 10 Frederick A. Wallis 8 Kate Wallis 6 Jane Wallis 4 Henry Wallis 1 Elizabeth Hutchinson 75
Following on from the Banns i posted for Mary Ellen and John Thomas Roundhill...
West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935 about Mry Ellen Wallis Name: Mry Ellen Wallis (Spinster) Birth Year: abt 1868 Age: 21 Marriage or Bann Date: 1 Sep 1889 Parish: Leeds, St Edmund Father's Name: Robert Wallis (Fisherman) Spouse's Name: John Thomas Dovener (Mechanic) Bachelor Spouse's Father's Name: John Dovener (Mechanic)
Marriages Sep 1889 (>99%) Dovener John Thomas Leeds 9b 721 Wallis Mary Ellen Leeds 9b 721
1881 England Census about Jno. Thos. Dooerner Roundhill Name: Jno. Thos. Dooerner Roundhill Age: 13 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868 Relation: Boarder Gender: Male Civil parish: Hunslet County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address: 47 Bewerley St Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Hunslet Sub-registration district: Hunslet ED, institution, or vessel: 42 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 4491 Folio: 57 Page Number: 4 Household Members: Name Age Jno. Godfrey Earnshaw 38 Elizabeth Earnshaw 32 Emily Earnshaw 14 Geo. Wm. Earnshaw 12 Jonas Walter Earnshaw 10 Albert Earnshaw 8 Clara Earnshaw 4 Jno. Thos. Dooerner Roundhill 13 Amelia Roundhill 12 (Boarder)
Robert Wallis and Ann's marriage.....
Marriages Dec 1862 (>99%) Wallis Robert Bridlington 9d 536
Spouse missing from entry..........Here she is.........
Marriages Dec 1862 (>99%) Hutchinson Ann Ellen Bridlington 9d 556
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PricklyHolly
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18 Feb 2013 10:28 |
I did suggest that Ellen used the "nickname" of Nellie.
It's the only marriage i can find Mary.
A long way to go to get married though isn't it?............From Leeds Yorkshire to Porstmouth in Hampshire.
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Mary
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18 Feb 2013 10:20 |
Isn't that the marriage in Portsmouth 1916?
My Aunty Sarah ELLEN was always known as Nellie!
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PricklyHolly
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18 Feb 2013 09:13 |
Banns...
West Yorkshire, England, Marriages and Banns, 1813-1935 about John Thomas Roundhill Name: John Thomas Roundhill Marriage or Bann Date: 28 Jul 1889 Parish: Leeds, St Edmund Spouse's Name: Mary Ellen Wallis
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PricklyHolly
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18 Feb 2013 08:32 |
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about Leonard Walker Name: Leonard Walker Birth Date: abt 1901 Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1964 Age at Death: 63 Registration district: Leeds Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume: 2c Page: 190
According to the death entry he was born in 1901. There are few Leonard Walker's born in 1901......but without knowing where he was born, any one of them could be your Leonard.
What you really need is a copy of the marriage cert.........but as there does not appear to be a marriage registered between a Leonard Walker and Ellen Roundhill in England or Wales..........It's tricky.
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Wendy
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17 Feb 2013 23:24 |
Are you able to find any information on Leonard Walker (Ellen' Husband), I've managed to find that his death was in 1964 but I can't find a birth date.
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Wendy
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17 Feb 2013 23:11 |
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1901 England Census about Ellen Roundhill Name: Ellen Roundhill Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: John T Roundhill Mother's Name: Mary Ellen Roundhill Gender: Female Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Holbeck Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England
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Employment status: View image
Registration district: Holbeck Sub-registration district: Holbeck ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 84 Piece: 4201 Folio: 126 Page Number: 14 Household Members: Name Age John T Roundhill 34 Mary Ellen Roundhill 31 James Roundhill 10 John Roundhill 6 Ellen Roundhill 4 George Roundhill 2 Harry Roundhill 3 Months
Household transcription 1911 census
Person: ROUNDHILL, Ellen Address: 26 Markham Place Leeds
PITTS, William Head Widower M 53 1858 Girder Painter Leeds Yorks VIEW ROUNDHILL, Mary Ellen Housekeeper Married21 years F 41 1870 Briddington Yorks VIEW ROUNDHILL, John Robert Son Single M 16 1895 Fitter Mecanix Shop Leeds Yorks VIEW ROUNDHILL, Ellen Daughter F 14 1897 Servant Leeds Yorks VIEW ROUNDHILL, George Son M 12 1899 School Leeds Yorks VIEW ROUNDHILL, Harry Son M 10 1901 Discharged For School Leeds Yorks VIEW PITTS, May Daughter F 3 1908 Leeds Yorks VIEW PITTS, Annie Daughter F 1 1910 Leeds Yorks VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 26961 Reference: RG14PN26961 RG78PN1547 RD500 SD2 ED18 SN309 Registration District: Leeds Sub District: North Leeds Enumeration District: 18 Parish: Leeds Address: 26 Markham Place Leeds County: Yorkshire (West riding)
That bit is definitely correct, I'm not too sure about the part before it
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17 Feb 2013 22:52 |
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England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about Ellen Roundhill Name: Ellen Roundhill Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1896 Registration district: Holbeck Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding Volume: 9b Page: 334
England & Wales, Death Index, 1916-2006 about Ellen Walker Name: Ellen Walker Birth Date: 16 Nov 1896 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1979 Age at Death: 82 Registration district: Leeds Inferred County: West Yorkshire Volume: 5 Page: 1078
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PricklyHolly
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17 Feb 2013 22:37 |
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Household transcription 1911 census Person: WALKER, Leonard Address: 45 Arthur Street Leeds
WALKER, John Gray Head Married M 61 1850 Joiner Yorks Horforth VIEW WALKER, Elizabeth Wife Married14 years F 50 1861 Lincolnshire Horncastle VIEW WALKER, Fred Son Single M 23 1888 Machine Fitter Lincolnshire Horsforth VIEW WALKER, Benjamin Son Single M 22 1889 Iron Turner Lincolnshire Horsforth VIEW WALKER, Leonard Son Single M 18 1893 Iron Turner Lincolnshire Horforth VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 27101 Reference: RG14PN27101 RG78PN1550 RD500 SD5 ED10 SN316 Registration District: Leeds Sub District: North East Leeds Enumeration District: 10 Parish: Leeds Address: 45 Arthur Street Leeds County: Yorkshire (West riding) (No children born to John and Elizabeth)
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1901 England Census about Ellen Roundhill Name: Ellen Roundhill Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1897 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: John T Roundhill Mother's Name: Mary Ellen Roundhill Gender: Female Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England Civil parish: Holbeck Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street Address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View image Registration district: Holbeck Sub-registration district: Holbeck ED, institution, or vessel: 7 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 84 Piece: 4201 Folio: 126 Page Number: 14 Household Members: Name Age John T Roundhill 34 (Engineer Fitter) Mary Ellen Roundhill 31 James Roundhill 10 John Roundhill 6 Ellen Roundhill 4 George Roundhill 2 Harry Roundhill 3 Months Household transcription 1911 census Person: ROUNDHILL, Ellen Address: 26 Markham Place Leeds PITTS, William Head Widower M 53 1858 Girder Painter Leeds Yorks VIEW ROUNDHILL, Mary Ellen Housekeeper Married21 years F 41 1870 Briddington Yorks VIEW ROUNDHILL, John Robert Son Single M 16 1895 Fitter Mecanix Shop Leeds Yorks VIEW ROUNDHILL, Ellen Daughter F 14 1897 Servant Leeds Yorks VIEW ROUNDHILL, George Son M 12 1899 School Leeds Yorks VIEW ROUNDHILL, Harry Son M 10 1901 Discharged For School Leeds Yorks VIEW PITTS, May Daughter F 3 1908 Leeds Yorks VIEW PITTS, Annie Daughter F 1 1910 Leeds Yorks VIEW RG number: RG14 Piece: 26961 Reference: RG14PN26961 RG78PN1547 RD500 SD2 ED18 SN309 Registration District: Leeds Sub District: North Leeds Enumeration District: 18 Parish: Leeds Address: 26 Markham Place Leeds County: Yorkshire (West riding)
(Mary.......6 children born, 4 living 2 had died)
It's been crossed out but for William it states.........2 children living, 1 had died.
I wonder if Mary is the Mother of the 2 Pitts children on the census.
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