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As a new member how do I get the information on my grandparents when I do not know their names, other than Grandfather was England, and I do not know their date of birth or date of death. Looking up England under the London area without any more refined details, brings up hundreds of them. I have looked my parents marriage certificate up thinking this might give me a lead, but sadly it does not. My father had two brothers and two sisters, but not knowing dates of births or deaths, and in the case of the boys, not really sure of their Christian names, other than I think they were Harold and Harry. Both were older than my father, and to my knowledge were killed during the last war years. Can a kind soul give me some guide lines? Sheba

Hi Sheba,

Start with what you know for a fact and work backwards.

We will help you.

Do you have your parents marriage cert - if so, please post ALL the details from it and we can see what we can find.

Dea Xxx

Welcome to the Boards Sheba.
I have a feeling you do not have that marriage cert. If I am right you must get it - it costs £9.25 and can be ordered online from the GRO (just google it).
Jan

Hi Sheba

Who were your parents? ........when and where were they born and when did they marry?

As Dea states: Start with what you know.

Hopefully you will have your grandfathers forenames from your parents marriage certificate.


You know your fathers full name & DoB, and your mothers full maiden name and her DoB?

If they were born after about 1914, then a search for their births might (ie depends on the number hits you get) provide you with your grandmothers maiden names.


Then you should be well on your way to tracing the marriages of both sets of grandparents

You say you're not sure of the forenames of your father's brothers, does that mean you know the forenames of his sisters? If so, what were they?

There are deaths for a Harold and various Harry Englands at the CWGC site, but can't see a matching set of parents for both boys ( when you ger the search results, if you click on the name of the person concerned you will get additional details (if there are any), such as names of parents and spouse if there was one.

http://www.cwgc.org/

As others have said previously, getting hold of the details on your parents' marriage cert would be the best place to start.

Thank you everybody for your support, I have today ordered the marriage cert. of my parents as you suggest, will keep you all posted if the family unfold. I appreciate your comments and advice.
Sheba.

Do come back on here with the info when you receive it !!!

Dea Xxx

Hello, I now have my parents marriage certificate. Horace Arthur England married Irene Ada Squires at Gt Clacton Parish Church in the county of Essex on 19.12.1937. Fathers name for Dad was given as Henry England and Fathers name for Mum was Richard Squires. Dad was aged 22 yrs. and Mum was 25 yrs.The addresses for both sets of parents have been recorded on the certificate as living in the Essex area. I know both Mum & Dad were born in London.
I have found a Richard Squires in the 1911 census which is positive as his wife and elder daughter are mentioned. These names all are correct.
There is a Henry England in the Death register 1939 age 73yrs in the Tendring district, this seems a fairly positive lead. I do not know his wife's name or age or the four other children, two boys and two girls. This is what I would like some guidance on if any of you kind folk have some ideas. Kind regards, Sheba.

This is the only Horace A. England birth I can see on Freebmd - you can find it easily here yourself:

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Births Jun 1916 (>99%)
England Horace A Partridge Lewisham 1d 2132

Do you have an occupation for Henry England, and what are the addresses? Names of witnesses too please.
Jan

Must be Irene? If we had known the names were so unusual might not have advised the marriage cert - though it always pays to be sure.

Births Mar 1912 (>99%)
Squires Irene A Frost Hackney 1b 758

Jan

On Ancestry -

Name:

Horace A England

Mother's Maiden Surname:

Partridge


Date of Registration:

Apr-May-Jun 1916


Registration district:

Lewisham


Inferred County:

Greater London


Volume Number:

1d


Page Number:

2132

I would think these are likely to be her parents, though you can't tell before 1912 who married who. What was the wife's name for the Richard you found?

Marriages Sep 1904 (>99%)
Frost Ada Emma Hackney 1b 1016
Hunter Alfred William Hackney 1b 1016
Squires Richard Hackney 1b 1016
Tomkins Kate Ellen Hackney 1b 1016

Does any of this match with Richard on the marriage cert? Very distinctive occupation.

1911 England Census
Name: Richard Squires
Age in 1911: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: London, United Kingdom
Civil parish: Stoke Newington
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street Address: 77 Winston Road, Stoke Newington N
Marital Status: Married
Years married: 7
Estimated Marriage Year: 1904
Occupation: WHOLESALE BATTLE DEATER (bottle dealer)
Registration district: Hackney
Registration District Number: 11
Sub-registration district: Stoke Newington

Richard Squires 33
Ada Emma Squires 30
Margaret Squires 5

brummiejan - so sorry I have mistakenly sent your reply as a report to the Genes team. I do apologise, you must think I am a dim wit. I don't know whether you can retrieve it, but I will re type it here: Henry England's residence was Green Lands, Colchester Road, Thorpe-le-Soken and occupation Builder. Richard Squires residence was Clissold, Main Road, Holland-on-Sea, and occupation Retired. Both addresses are in Essex. The two witnesses were L.W. Self and R. Squires. I do appreciate all your help, it all seems so easy when you come back so quickly with answers. Thanks to everyone. Sheba.

Marriages Mar 1896 (>99%)
England Henry Shoreditch 1c 161
PARTRIDGE Mabel Shoreditch 1c 161


1911 census


Person: ENGLAND, Mabel Address: 11 Rush Hill Road S W
Cost

ENGLAND, Henry Head Married M 45 1866 Police Constable Met Somerset Drayton VIEW
ENGLAND, Mabel Wife Married15 years F 31 1880 Devonshire Musbury VIEW
ENGLAND, Henry Son M 14 1897 House Boy Domestic London Dalston VIEW
ENGLAND, Harold Son M 12 1899 School Boy London Dalston VIEW
ENGLAND, Mabel Daughter F 9 1902 London Battersea VIEW
ENGLAND, Muriel Daughter F 0 (5 MONTHS) 1911 London Battersea

Births Dec 1910 (>99%)
ENGLAND Muriel G Wandsworth 1d 564

Marriages Jun 1937 (>99%)
ENGLAND Muriel G Self Tendring 4a 1964
SELF Leslie W England Tendring 4a 1964

Births Jun 1901 (>99%)
England Mabel Victoria Wandsworth 1d 573


Marriages Mar 1930 (>99%)
England Mabel V Thurgood Lewisham 1d 1359
Thurgood Leslie R England Lewisham 1d 1359

Sheba,

Have sent you a PM.

Vanessa