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they moved to Canada around 1904 to see their fortune, they returned a few years later only to take more of their family with them.

It was only only because (a bit of a family myth (that my grandad shot someone) )
that they return to England.

they were back in england for the 1911 census and my grandad moved back and got married in Canada ( i have his marriage cert.) and had a child who stayed in canada.
whilst Albert (my grandad) return.
This is also in his war records which i have a copy of.

Richard

Right now, 1921 is free via:
http://search.ancestry.ca/search/db.aspx?dbid=8991
The most likely hit is:
Fred Yates St Andrew Ward, Montreal (St Antoine), Quebec abt 1882 England Head
He's an engineer, widower, immig 1907 (on image).
[addy=322 Mackay - it's a block NE and parallel to Guy, 322 is just SE of Ste Catherine]

http://www.berkshirebmd.org.uk/
Berkshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1907
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
YATES Frederick C MORGAN Margaret Reading Register Office Reading RG/42/18
[Since 1898, most non-conformist churches were allowed to become authorized keepers of official marr registers. So this marr is most likely a rego office marr, or an RC marr - RCs weren't trusted to keep official regos until (I think) the 1980s, so the registrar was obliged to go along to an RC marr with his rego hich the couple would sign, mixed in with all the rego office marrs]

OOppps - I didn't realise you had this thread and have posted on one of the others - I will transfer this over to here in case the links are of any use and delete from the other thread:

Dea Report Edit Delete 28 Jun 2014 09:25

Search the Canada 1911 census here:

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1911/Pages/1911.aspx

I did find a Frederick Charles aged 25 in Manitoba and a William ? aged 28 in Ontario.

Do you know what their occupations would be?

Dea x

Dea
Dea Report Edit Delete 28 Jun 2014 09:42

You can also search here to see if they joined the expeditionary forces in the first world war (though I can't see anything for them at first glance) :

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/first-world-war-1914-1918-cef/Pages/search.aspx

Dea x

On page 1 Glitterbaby posted a possible 1907 marriage for Frederick Charles Yates. I'd suggest ordering that marriage certificate to check if it's him, and if it is then we'll also have the bride's age etc so we can do a two pronged approach to trying to find them in Canada.

So what's that I've just posted above Richard!! :-)

You may have all the info pre 1901 but we don't so we have to build up a picture of who we're looking for if that info isn't provided at the outset, that's why we delve into the history.

thanks, but still havent found frederick or William on any 1911 census.
i have all info on them before 1901 but not 1911 on wards

richard

Richard, I see you've started a new thread about the brothers but I'm going to post on here so that all of the information is together:

This could possibly be Frederick in 1911:

Possibly?

1911 Census of Canada about Frederick Chas Yates
Name: Frederick Chas Yates
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 25
Birth Date: 1886
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Inmate
Tribal: English
Province: Manitoba
District: Selkirk
District Number: 22
Sub-District: Selkirk
Sub-District Number: 32
Place of Habitation: Selkirk Asylum

thanks

I did put that my question had been answered but it hasn't although i did have a bit of new info on frederick.

is there a way to get passenger lists.

thanks

richard

Richard when you asked for help you should have put all that info in the first post to give searchers more idea of the whole family.

Always stay with a question you put up and keep going back to your thread to read the replies.

You will get answers with a few minuets as there are plenty of people willing to help.

I also cannot find them to see if they fought during the war as well.

My guess is that they stayed in Canada

Other children belonging to Arthur Yates & Sarah Yates (nee Hodges)

Albert - (my grandad)
Ernest (both in 1901 census)

William did indeed live with his uncles in Kings Langley,

He may of been in Canada from 1911 onward along with Fred.

Arthur, Sarah, young Albert & Edward came back to be on the 1911 census...
Albert then went back out to Canada again, married and had a child (Albert Yates b 1912) Albert Jnr. Stayed with Albert Snr's Wife.
Albert Snr. (my grandad) came back to fight in WW1 ( he then divorced his first wife)

Thanks for all your info... you can both look at my tree if that helps..

i want to post back to some of the messages you put on here but i don't know how to.

Arthur is indeed his father,

i am sorry if i haven't got back to you.
if you look at the 1911 census it staes that 2 children have died, these would be his sisters.


Richard

Blimey... thanks for all the responses...only just found this community board.

Williams parents were Arthur Yates & Sarah Yates (nee Hodges).

He only has 4 posts Maureen.

It has been interesting but think I will leave it now till the morning or when we hear from Richard.

Great!!!!!!

parentCharles Yates <<<<<GROOMS FATHER
spouseSarah Ann Hodges

groom's nameArthur William Yates
groom's birth date1854
groom's birthplace
groom's age23
bride's nameSarah Ann Hodges
bride's birth date1859
bride's birthplace
bride's age18
marriage date30 Jul 1877*********************************
marriage placeBuscot,Berkshire,England
groom's father's nameCharles Yates

bride's father's nameHenry Hodges

indexing project (batch) numberM01770-2
system originEngland-ODM
source film number1041180

Could so with some feedback from Richard as to why and when he thinks they emigrated

1861 England Census
about Arthur Yates
Name: Arthur Yates
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles Yates
Mother's Name: Eliza Yates
Gender: Male
Where born: Lechlade, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Lechlade
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Faringdon
Sub-registration district: Faringdon
ED, institution, or vessel: 7d
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 154
Piece: 728
Folio: 122
Page Number: 25
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Yates 43
Eliza Yates 43
Edward Yates 20
Albert Yates 16
Sarah A Yates 14
Eli Yates 11
Caroline Yates 11
Arthur Yates 7
Ruth Yates 4




I know this one is hard to read but..............

1871 England Census
about Arthur Netta Yater
Name: Arthur Netta Yater
[Arthur Netta Yates]
[Arthur William Yater]
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Charles Yater
Gender: Male
Where born: Lechlade, Gloucestershire, England
Civil parish: Lechlade
Town: Faringdon
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Faringdon
Sub-registration district: Faringdon
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 67
Piece: 1258
Folio: 13
Page Number: 15
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Yater 73 Blacksmith***********
Sarah Ann Yater 24
Arthur Netta Yater 16 ********Mason?????Arthur Will'm yates not Netta
Edith Eliza Yater 4
Henry B?? 15 = BALDWIN LODGER

On the 1901 census G B put up there is also the Mother in Law living with them Emma Hodges aged 60 born Glous.

She is not on the list but on the actual census and then a lodger.

RG13; Piece: 1146; Folio: 42; Page: 10.

1881 England Census
about Arthur W. Yates
Name: Arthur W. Yates
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah Ann Yates
Gender: Male
Where born: Lechlade, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Lechlade
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address: Old Wharf
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Brook Cleaner ********************

Registration district: Faringdon
Sub-registration district: Faringdon
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1278
Folio: 112
Page Number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
Arthur W. Yates 26
Sarah Ann Yates 21
Alice M. Yates 3
Emily E. Yates 1

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
about Arthur William Yates
Name: Arthur William Yates
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1877
Registration district: Faringdon
Inferred County: Berkshire
Volume Number: 2c
Page Number: 421


********Sarah Ann Hodges Jul-Aug-Sep 1877 Faringdon Berkshire

James Huttell Jul-Aug-Sep 1877 Faringdon Berkshire

Sarah Ann Tidmarsh Jul-Aug-Sep 1877 Faringdon Berkshire

********* Arthur William Yates Jul-Aug-Sep 1877 Faringdon Berkshire

Thanks

Just done a name correction

Still can not find them in 1911