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William Nie was born St Lukes 1840

William Nye was born St Lukes c1840

Both have a father called William

William Nye b 1840 marriage to Mary Ann Roberts produced a daughter named Charlotte SARAH ( Sarah was William NIE's mothers name)

Sarah Ann Nie nee Wager was born Hackney

William Nie and Sarah Wager were married in Shoreditch

Sarah Nye ( possibly Sarh Nie) died in Islington/


All sounds a very good percentage to me.

I do think that William born c1840 bent the truth a little bit but that maybe because he was only about 12/13 when his father died and perhaps he didn't know that much about him?


Please go to your messages inbox and download the attachments that I sent you regarding the marriages of William Nye born 1840.

Again thanks for all your help.

As a percentage how likely is it that W Nie is W Nyes father in your opinion

loads of NIE in Leyton Essex and various spellings it would seem :-)

(makes you wonder how many more William there are, lol)

Chris :)

Assuming that William NIE BORN 1840 St Luke London is the same person as William NYE born 1840 St Luke London here are a few more bits of info:-


Wiliiam Nye's father:-

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 about William Nie
Name: William Nie
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 10 Oct 1819
Christening Place: Leyton, Essex, England
Father's Name: Samuel Nie
Mother's name: Esther


William Nye's mother:-


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Sarah Anne Wager
Name: Sarah Anne Wager
Record Type: Baptism
Baptism Date: 27 Aug 1814
Father's Name: James Wager
Mother's name: Mary Wager
Parish or Poor Law Union: Hackney St John
Borough: Hackney
Register Type: Parish Registers



William Nye's parents marriage:-


England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about William Nie
Name: William Nie
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1839
Registration district: Shoreditch
Inferred County: London
Volume Number: 2
Page Number: 344
Sarah Anne Wager

and this copy:-

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about William Nie
Name: William Nie
Age: Full Age
Spouse Name: Sarah Anne Wager
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 Dec 1839
Parish: Shoreditch St Leonard
Borough: Hackney
Father Name: Saml Nie
Spouse Father Name: Jas Wager
Register Type: Parish Register



I query this death below simply because on William's marriage to Mary Ann it does not state father deceased and this marriage was in 1858...............5 years after this death below:-

fathers death?

Deaths Mar 1853
Nie William W Ham 4a 21


William Nie, "England Deaths and Burials, 1538-1991"
name: William Nie
gender: Male
burial date: 22 Mar 1853
burial place: Leyton, Essex, England
death date:
death place:
age:
birth date:
birthplace:
occupation:
race:
marital status:
spouse's name:
father's name:
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mother's name:
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indexing project (batch) number: I02489-0
system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 1564256
reference number: 82


William's mother in 1901

1901 England Census about Sarah Ann Nye
Name: Sarah Ann Nye
Age: 84
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: London, England

Civil parish: Islington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
Town: London
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
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Registration district: Islington
Sub-registration district: Barnsbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 267
Piece: 182
Folio: 71
Page Number: 43
Household Members:
Name Age
Sarah Ann Nye 84



William's mothers death:-

SEngland & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index, 1837-1915 about Sarah Ann Nye
Name: Sarah Ann Nye
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1903
Age at Death: 85
Registration district: Islington
Inferred County: London


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Have sent Anthony copies of the two marriage for William Nye which show that the grooms signature has been signed by the same man.

I'm sure your right that Jordan was not the wife

(think it's below) ?

Name: William Nye (Office Clerk)
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Age: 25
Spouse Name: Anne Mary Jordan
Spouse Age: 21
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 4 May 1859
Parish: Clerkenwell St James
Borough: Islington
Father Name: William Nye (Office Clerk)
Register Type: Parish Register
(addres for both, 8, Ashby Street)

Chris :)

Name: John Eaton
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Age: 24
Spouse Name: Maria Wilson
Spouse Age: 22
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 5 Apr 1896
Parish: Bethnal Green St Peter
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: William Eaton (Box Cutter)
Spouse Father Name: Henry Wilson
Register Type: Parish Register
(William Nye as witness, signature similar to his 1894 Marriage)


(was looking for Amelia 1871)...

Is this the marriage that you refer to?

Marriages Sep 1859
Jordan Mary Ann Islington 1b 283


because this woman married either:_

Lane Thomas Islington 1b 283

or

Nugent James Islington 1b 283



but not William. :-(

Hi Anthony to be fair your family is not the most straightforward one to trace.

Can you show us the marriage for William Nye to this Mary Ann Jordan because I cant find it.

I still think it was probably Mary Ann Roberts as the only thing different from the marriage to amelia was the grooms fathers name . On Amelias it was William Nye occupation Engineer and on the marriage to Mary Ann Roberts it was George Nye occupation Engineer. Could be that sometimes he bent the truth a little ?

As you can tell i'm not very good at this.

In the 1861 census a William Eaton was listed with a father John but I should have been looking for a Nye.

Again I found a marriage cert for William Nye with a Mary Ann Jordan in1859 and a census record in1861 showing William with Mary and a Charlotte age 0 which seemed to fit

From previous page there is this very possible birth and family for William Nie or Nye


England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about William Nie
Name: William Nie
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1840
Registration district: St Luke
Inferred County: London
Volume: 2
Page: 266


1851 England Census about William Nie
Name: William Nie
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Nie
Mother's Name: Sarah Nie
Gender: M (Male)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Where born: St Lukes, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Leyton
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:Leyton St

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Leyton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 64
Piece: 1769
Folio: 83
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
William Nie 33 Labourer
Sarah Nie 35
William Nie 10
George Nie 8
Francis Nie 4
Lonzia Nie 1
Nester Smart 23


possible death of William senior :-

Deaths Mar 1853
Nie William W Ham 4a 21

(no worries Anthony, we just need to know 'what you already know')

Looking on below link, where did you find the Jordan Marriage?...


http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Chris :)

(and sometime back, you mentioned 'John' as father of William, can you tell more about that?)

Can you find any ancestors for William Nye?

I think Mary Ann Jordan was William Nye's wife Died 1892 which would account for the 94 marriage.

I'd like to thank you all for your help and apologise for being a bit slow on the uptake.

Anthony have you really read the thread ?


Believe that :-

William Eaton was always William Nye.
Amelia Eaton was born as Amelia Eaton'

Believe he was not free to marry Amelia in the beginning.
William and Amelia lived together as man & wife using the surname of Amelia ie Eaton
when they were able to be married they had to pretend that William Eaton had died because really he did not exist.
William Nye ( ie William Eaton ) and Amelia Eaton married officially but she gave her maiden name as "Austin" which was the 2nd christian name of her father who was John AUSTIN Eaton


If you look at the children of William " Eaton"and Amelia you will see that their 2nd christian name is Nye. see below


Births Dec 1877
EATON Elizabeth Nye Bethnal Green 1c 202

Births Jun 1880
EATON William Nye Bethnal Green 1c 190

Who and Where does Mary Ann Jorden come into things...

Chris :)

(Nye comes into names, as on Births and a Baptism, posted earlier)


No answer to your original query at present, just looking at possible theories!.

I thought Mary Anns name was Jorden

Where does the Nye come from in the Eaton name

There is a marriage record for W Nye and Amelia

1851 England Census about William Nie
Name: William Nie
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Nie
Mother's Name: Sarah Nie
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: St Lukes, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Leyton
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street Address:Leyton St

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: Leyton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 64
Piece: 1769
Folio: 83
Page Number: 15
Household Members:
Name Age
William Nie 33 Labourer
Sarah Nie 35
William Nie 10
George Nie 8
Francis Nie 4
Lonzia Nie 1
Nester Smart 23


possible death of William senior :-

Deaths Mar 1853
Nie William W Ham 4a 21

What do reckon for a possible birth?



England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915 about William Nie
Name: William Nie
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1840
Registration district: St Luke
Inferred County: London
Volume: 2
Page: 266