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Hi dopeydoc

Was the information you was looking for recent? As I'm looking for information in relation to a birth 1943, and I thought canadians were very strict on records?

Many thanks

Hello

Have you tried contacting Canadian archives ?

I found lots of info there, and got it free.

dopeydoc

Yes, I remember you saying she was adopted now...silly me!

Is there a way to establish the ages of the Conroy children or is that impossible? Was wondering if any of them could be penelope with a name change?

Definitely adopted as her birth cert states adopted on, and it's been out in by the superintendent reg, so it did happen and wales confirmed that this would only be put on when GRO get in touch to say update records they can see no name change on the cert so that means she either kept her name unchanged or assumed a whole new name

Perhaps she never was adopted but just assumed the name of whoever she lived with after her mothers death.

Also just to ask did anyone post on fb on a Penelope greenhalghs page? With a man with Curley moustache? As it came today on google notifications as new match but I thought it must be someone here? Thanks x

Lol!!! How strange, I found the same info myself today!! I was just coming on to put it down... Great minds and that eh? ;-)

I have spent the day on the phone to everyone! The adoption did not happen in Canada, nor Wales or Twickenham!! How mad!

My husband can initiate a intermediary service but he is not sure, so he is considering it as a possibility but alas from that there's not much else we can do. There is a register but the lady from GRO said tbh with the age and generation of the person she wouldn't advise it but the intermediary service is the best bet. (Which I found unusually helpful for a government service who usually want to fleece you out of every penny they can)

I will see if I can get a response from the funeral home and see where that goes I suppose

Thank you for everyone's help so far and shall update when I have info x

UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 about Eugene E G Whitbrooke
Name: Eugene E G Whitbrooke
Gender: Male
Age: 1
Birth Date: abt 1948
Departure Date: 27 May 1949
Port of Departure: Southampton, England
Destination Port: Halifax, Canada
Ship Name: Aquitania
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Aquitania' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line: Cunard White Star Limited
Official Number: 135538
Master: R B G Woollatt

When Emily went to Canada in 1949 she was travelling with her sister and nephew and Penelope.

sister was called Dorothy Gosling Whitbrooke age 34 occ Nurse
nephew was Eugene E Gosling Whitbrooke age 2


Emily G Greenhalgh age 36 occ housekeeper
Penelope Greenhalgh age 5


The address given for them all was

126 Crescent Road
Crumpsall
Manchester 8

and at that point, they all intended to make Canada their permanent residence.



marriage for Dorothy:-

Marriages Jun 1942
Gresley-Jones Dorothy Whitbrooke Marylebone 1a 1205
Whitbrooke Alario A P G Gresley-Jones Marylebone 1a 1205


Eugene was brn 1946 St Asaph

But I should add that the Richard jones 7/12 listed had died according to the census x

No Hun here they are:

R J Gresley Jones
Age in 1911: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Rhyallt, Flintshire, Wales
Civil parish: Prestatyn
County/Island: Denbighshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: Top Nant Farm Prestatyn Flintshire N Wales
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 14
Estimated Marriage Year: 1897
Occupation: Farmer
Registration district: St Asaph
Registration District Number: 623
Sub-registration district: St Asaph
ED, institution, or vessel: 07
Household schedule number: 78
Piece: 34123
Household Members:
Name Age
R J Gresley Jones 59
Elizabeth Jones 33
Lillian Jones 13
William Morwood Gresley Jones 11
Philip Thomas Gresley Jones 10
Matilda Gresley Jones 7
Walter Gresley Jones 5
Richard Gresley Jones 7/12
Gresley Jones 4/12

Are these the parents?


1911 Wales Census
about Robert John Jones
Name: Robert John Jones
Age in 1911: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Gledria, Shropshire, England
Civil parish: Rhosllanerchrugog
County/Island: Denbighshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: 23 Australia St Ponkey Rhos
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: Brickyard Labourer
Registration district: Wrexham
Registration District Number: 621
Sub-registration district: Ruabon
ED, institution, or vessel: 09
Household schedule number: 188
Piece: 34012
Household Members: Name Age
Robert John Jones 42
Elizabeth Jones 45
Thomas Alfred Jones 16
Clara Jones 11
Gilbert Jones 7


I cant see Robert J' death?

Oh and I called the f Hudson, and it was not her. But Canadians are very friendly helpful people though! :-D

Hi ya, I have called every r Conroy in the Canadian phone book, and a few did not answer but the rest are not him :-( I have spoken to the funeral home and they are happy for me to post off a letter on my behalf so I shall be putting pen to paper tonight.

Emily's mum and dad: Robert John Gresley-jones died 13/07/1936 st Asaph Wales
Elisabeth Cornwall (mn) died 19/02/1948 Prestatyn Wales

So Gresley is a double barrelled surname x

Ann-Marie

Do you know when Emily' parents died?

Where does the 'Gresley' name come from?

Well I just phoned twikenham cemetery and that is Emily's death, as the grave was paid in full by a f Hudson, it's a two person grave but only one person is in there. When I go to London I will go and see the grave, possibly flowers may be laid there? May give me a shot, there was no address listed for the grave as a contact so no joy there but at least we know for sure it is her death

Ah ok! My error I have never seen poor district listed on a death record before, me jumping to assumptions lol

So i will order the death cert then, and see what it may show up, also on ansestry from the person who knew of penny growing up with the conroys it shows a death for Frances as 2/12/1987 in Wrexham Denbighshire Wales, I can find no record of this even in 1988 first quarter and Peggy tree owner is not too sure in the details, as I wondered if Penelope may have registered her death?

There are a few Richard conroys listed, as I'm not sure if they are in vc, I might write a letter to the funeral home who arranged the funeral for it to be passed on, it's a long shot but I may get a response.

Ann-Marie - sorry, I should have reread the obit before replying. I didn't realize all her kids were girls - it looks like the names in parentheses are the forenames of spouses, so not much help when BC marrs are closed for 75y

Ann-Marie, I dont think that Emily was in a workhouse as the Electoral Roll for the years 1957 and 1958 specify that she was registered at the address also shared with Frances and Harry Hudson which was 32 Cypress Avenue Whitton Twickenham Middlesex. That Road runs behind Whitton High St and the church is on the Hounslow Road.. The Parish & Poor Law Union is just stating that she died within the parish of Whitton St Philip and St James which the home in Cypress Avenue came under. Twickenham cemetery is where my grandparents are buried and I used to live in the next road to Cypress Avenue.

Only trouble I have now is what would married names be? Or are they the ones in brackets?