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thank you so much for all your help if they answer I will let you know
Jackie x

I'll keep my fingers crossed that one of them replies to you. It would be interesting to see if you manage to find Marian.

I hope I am just as difficult for my descendants to find as some of my ancestors have been for me, lol

Kath. x

There are 4 people on here with a george perry in their tree i have messaged them lets hope one of them is the right one.
don't think i'll hold my breath for the 1921 cencus i might not be here myself then a
nd someone might be researching me ha ha!
Jackie x

It might be worth getting the 1939 marriage certificate for Marian I. Evans to Joseph H. Ball and see who that Marian names as her father. Of course even if it's the right Marian she may not name John Evans as her father if she wasn't brought up with him - unless she was made aware of her birth family.

The 1921 census is still a long was off being released but Marian (the baby) should be on there but probably still with her parents since her mother didn't die until the end of 1921, so even that is not going to be any help. The 1931 census was destroyed and 1941 census was not taken because of the war so it looks like census are not going to help you at all.

Kath. x

just thought mary could have took marian in untill she married as if the one to joseph ball 1939 is correct and mary didn't die till 1949 if only there were later cencus.
Jackie x

You might find a death if you knew which register office in West Bromwich they used. I can't find a death on Findmypast which goes p to 2006 so it would be after that date but this is assuming that she kept the Evans surname and didn't marry.

If she was taken in by one of the other family then her surname could be anything.

It might be worth worth trying to trace any of the Perry family forward and try to contact someone in that family to see if they know anything about Marian born 1920.

Daniel's name would be on the birth record as Timmins even if his mother's husband had already died as that was his mother's surname at the time. It was probably just easier to call him Guest later on as that is what his sister was called. I don't suppose you will ever really know why.

Kath. x

thanks again kath
Jackie x

A possible for Marian (born 1879)'s mother's death:-

Name: PERRY, Mary
Registration district: West Bromwich
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1949
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 69
Volume no: 9B
Page no: 956

Not that this helps with finding the young Marian I. Evans whereabouts but I thought if you could manage to contact someone who has any of this Perry family in their tree they might have some knowledge of the baby girl who seems to have disappeared.

Kath. x

was just going to reply to you i thought that about her but daniel was born after daniel died and b4 she married george so who's child was he?then they are timmins on 1901 then back to guest in 1911. there is a tree on ancestry for george married to mary timmins but no info about her, and 1 for daniel but again no info for mary.
its really marian 1920 that i want to find out what happened to as if she is still alive 3 of her half siblings are still alive also if she died after 2006 would the record be at the archives do you know? perhaps one of george and marys other children took her in!!!
Jackie

It looks as if Marian Guest (born 1897) was born before her mother married Daniel Timmins which is why she married herself using Guest as her surname even though she is on the census in 1901 using the Timmins surname. This looks like her birth:-

Name: GUEST, Marian
Registration district: West Bromwich
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1897
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 6B
Page no: 895

Kath. x

you are a gem kath sorry been so long answering just got back so am going to sit and digest it all thank you so much for all your help
Jackie x

I have been searching for the above family (Mary, Marian and Daniel) in the 1901 census with the surname Guest - HOWEVER, there is this family that I think is the same one:-

1901 census transcription details for: 132, Roebuck Street, West Bromwich

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 2718
Folio: 16
Page: 24
Reg. District: West Bromwich
Sub District: West Bromwich South-West
Parish: West Bromwich
Enum. District: 1
Ecclesiastical District: Holy Trinity
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: 132, Roebuck Street, West Bromwich
County: Staffordshire

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

GUEST, Thomas Head Widower M 49 1852 Coal Miner Stallman
Dudley, Worcestershire
GUEST, Samuel Son Single M 19 1882 Coal Miner Loader Below Ground
West Bromwich, Staffordshire
GUEST, Eunice Daughter Single F 15 1886 Button Maker
West Bromwich, Staffordshire
GUEST, Albert Son Single M 11 1890
West Bromwich, Staffordshire
GUEST, Rose H Daughter Single F 9 1892
West Bromwich, Staffordshire
GUEST, Ethel Daughter Single F 4 1897
West Bromwich, Staffordshire
TIMMINS, Mary Daughter Widow F 22 1879
West Bromwich, Staffordshire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
TIMMINS, Marion Grand Daughter Single F 4 1897
West Bromwich, Staffordshire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
TIMMINS, Daniel Grand Son Single M 1 1900
West Bromwich, Staffordshire<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

There is also this marriage:-


Name: GUEST, Mary
Registration district: West Bromwich
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1898
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 6B
Page no: 1475

MarriageFinder: Mary Guest married one of the following people:

HUBBERT, Thomas
TIMMINS, Daniel<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
SWAIN, Bertha Gertrude

There is also this death later the same year:-


Name: TIMMINS, Daniel
Registration district: West Bromwich
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1898
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death: 21
Volume no: 6B
Page no: 546

This would then be the marriage for the George Perry on the 1911 census posted earlier:-

Name: PERRY, George
Registration district: West Bromwich
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1901
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 6B
Page no: 1543

MarriageFinder: George Perry married one of the following people:

CLARKE, Annie
TIMMINS, Mary<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
ELLIOTT, James William

Hope you can follow all of this.


Kath. x

This looks as if it could be Marian in the 1911 census:-

1911 census transcription details for: 90 Roebuck St West Bromwich

National Archive Reference:
RG14PN17283 RG78PN1061 RD371 SD3 ED1 SN57
Reg. District: West Bromwich
Sub District: West Bromwich South West
Parish: West Bromwich
Enum. District: 1

Address: 90 Roebuck St West Bromwich
County: Staffordshire

Name Relation Condition/
Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

PERRY, George Head Married 9 years M 30 1881 Coal Miner Hewer West Bromwich Staffs
PERRY, Mary Wife Married F 32 1879 West Bromwich Staffs
GUEST, Marian Daughter F 14 1897 Core Maker West Bromwich Staffs<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
GUEST, Daniel Son M 11 1900 School West Bromwich Staffs
PERRY, George Son M 8 1903 School Smethwick Staffs
PERRY, Eunice Mary Daughter F 4 1907 West Bromwich Staffs
PERRY, Rose Daughter F 1 1910 West Bromwich Staffs

It looks as though her mother remarried to George Perry.

If the above family is correct then it looks as if Marian had a brother Daniel. This could be his marriage:-

Name: GUEST, Daniel
Registration district: Wolverhampton
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1925
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Clark
Volume no: 6B
Page no: 1198

Name: CLARK, Sarah
Registration district: Wolverhampton
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1925
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Guest
Volume no: 6B
Page no: 1198

This looks like the marriage of what would be Marian's half sister Eunice:-


Name: PERRY, Eunice M
Registration district: West Bromwich
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1924
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Phillips
Volume no: 6B
Page no: 1738

Name: PHILLIPS, William L
Registration district: West Bromwich
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1924
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Perry
Volume no: 6B
Page no: 1738

Kath. x

I did think that she may have been taken in by marions family but as I can't find marion on the 1901 or 1911 cencus I don't know if she had brothers and sisters. unlike your relative she never kept in touch and it seems John didn't keep in touch with her as his later children don't know anything about her.
Jackie

Could she have been taken in and brought up by neighbours?

My grandmother died in 1931 just six weeks after giving birth to my aunty. My grandfather already had 6 children to bring up so the new baby was brought up by neighbours who "fostered" her and brought her up as their own although she kept in touch with the rest of her siblings and kept her own name. My mother as the eldest daughter at age 13 had to leave school to look after the other children.

Kath. x

thanks for looking kath. its a mystery where she went when her mother died as well
Jackie x

I couldn't find a death or a re-marriage for her. If it's the right person it is possible that she has died since 2006 when the online index finishes or she could still be alive.

Kath. x

thank you kath i'll look up to see if there is a death for her
jackie

There is a marriage that could possibly be that of Marian if the birth that MistyCat posted is the correct one. I will send the details by p.m.

Kath. x

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