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Morning mgnv, thanks for that,

Can I pass my present thoughts by you, if we accept that the Jane Clusker in the 1930 Census is in fact James Clusker, I have in my tree a James Clusker born c1856 In Ireland.

He married Mary McDade born c1857 and they had a daughter who I have as a Helen Clusker born 1893 in Scotland and on the 1901 Census her name is shown as Ellen.

Therefore it would be a reasonable assumption for me to accept that the above Helen/Ellen Clusker was the wife of Alexander Cummings.

Go on, say it, I have got :-S and have been going round in circles

Best Wishes,

James

James...If you go back to page 3 of the thread you will see that GINS has actually shown that the "Jane" is actually male on the original...

(I missed that myself)...so yes you may be correct in the assumption...

Morning Eringobragh1916,

Unfortunately, from all the information posted, much of which I have found very useful, I also missed Gins comment stating that, had I picked that up I could have saved myself a lot of grief.

Regards,

James

James..I know the feeling..this family is giving me nightmares..!! So much info ...I think we may all have gotten mixed up and side tracked...Spent hours looking for "Jane" and Ellen on immigration..well now I know the answer...but thats the way it goes..anyway the positive is we now have a time line for Mary McDade's death...somewhere between ?1920 and 1930...(Please dont tell me thats somewhere in the post as well!!) Just noticed Mary's not on 1920 census...!

I have not got round yet to dealing with Mary McDade nee Clusker's death, at the moment I am sorting out my tree to accommodate Alexander Cumming and his family. Once I have dealt with Alexander Cumming and his family I will be back tracking on the post to pick up items I may have missed.

I noted the Burrow's connection as step parents, if I am correct this is the James Burrows who married an Isabella Duncan on 29 November 1872 in Lasswade, Midlothian,Scotland.

James

James....I am not sure that marriage can be correct ..you are likely looking at one post 1890 as Alex Cumming/s was aged 17 when he travelled 1908 so b abt.1890 give or take a year otherwise Alex would have had the surname Burrows...

You may find checking 1901 Census for Alred/Alfred Burrows (Son of James) 169 Buchanan St. Coatbridge may give some info.

(See thread details page 4 ...12.39)

James....Have found the marriage of a William "CUMMINS" to an Isabell Ferguson 17Dec.1872 Old Monkland....

Isabelle Cummings Burrows stated she was going to son William...in Springfield..well X ref.the info.and varying names/ permutations ...the following is most likely him DOB also corresponds with one found ;

William Cummins
gender: Male
baptism/christening date:
baptism/christening place:
birth date: 05 Jun 1874
birthplace: BRIDGETON,GLASGOW,LANARK,SCOTLAND
Parents William Cummin Isabelle Ferguson.




name: William J. Cummings
titles and terms (original):
death date: 09 Jun 1923
death place: Springfield, Sangamon, Illinois
gender: Male
marital status:
race or color:
age: 49
estimated birth year: 1874
birth date: 05 Jun 1874
birthplace: Scotland
father: W.J. Cummings
father's titles and terms (original):
father's birth place: Scotland
mother: E. Furgeson
mother's titles and terms (original):
mother's birth place: Scotland
occupation: Mine Examiner
residence:
street address:
spouse: Nellie Cummings
spouse's titles and terms (original):
spouse's birthplace:
burial date: 11 Jun 1923
burial place:
cemetery: Calvary Cemetery

Thanks for that Eringobragh1916,

At present I am working on finding this, so far no luck:-

1901 Census for Alred/Alfred Burrows (Son of James) 169 Buchanan St. Coatbridge.

James

Eringobragh1916,

The image available for the birth of Malcolm Cummins on SP was illegible so I e-mailed them to that effect.

They have just e-mailed me a copy of the original and it confirms he was born on 25/02/1878 to William Cummins and Isabella Cummins m.s. Ferguson at 24 Muslin Street in Glasgow, and that his parents were married in December 1872 in Coatbridge.

James
,

Excellent ...Now thats another branch although not directly related but nevertheless interesting from the Ellen Clusker and Alex Cummings side of things...
The address for Burrows (Coatbrdge) was the one James gave for nok in Scotland on the Manifest (1908)..wonder who was there 1911?

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1®ion=UNITED_STATES
A search of "Illinois, Deaths and Stillbirths, 1916-1947" for Clusker (exact) gets:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N3DK-W3T
so John P=John Peter

PS I spotted Gins's James/Jane comment on the umpteenth rereading of the thread, so that's why I went back and checked the original image and made my supplementary comment.

mgnv....I think we are all getting tied up in knots..!

mgnv and Eringobragh1916,

At long last I have found the birth certificate for Alexander Cummings, he was born to an Isabella Ferguson on 31/08/1890 at Coatbridge in Lanarkshire.

It appears that her husband William Cummings was not his father as there is a declaration on the birth certificate to that effect and something about she has not had any communication with William since he went to America 9 years before the birth of Alexander, due to my eyesight I cannot read it properly :-(

James

James ..Have sent a PM re the above if you let me have a copy will see what I can make of it...

Eringobragh1916,

I have sent it to you.

I have also got to the bottom of the Burrows connection, from SP :-)

1896 BURROWS JAMES CUMMINGS ISABELLA ANDERSTON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/10 0374

Isabella married James Burrows on 08/10/1896 at Minerva Street, Anderston, in Glasgow, Scotland after The Sheriff Substitute of Lanarkshire granted a Warrant on 08 October 1896 following a declaration in the precence of Malcolm Cummings and Robert Wright Cooper.

James

James...Looks ike she may have had Wm.declared "Dead" for the purpose of remarrying.....Interesting that when they all went out they were going to her Son Wm.J. (or J William) now I wonder if he and the father went out together...havent been able to locate immigration /passenger record for either.

Eringobragh1916,

It would not surprise having seen some of the things my ancestors have got up to :-(

At least it is another mystery solved.

Logging off now, time to fix something to eat.

Regards,

James

James..Have just worked out what it says after his name.."Coalminer"....!!

In an earlier part of this post Eringobragh1916 said my family was giving him nightmares, nothing compared to the nightmares the Kennedy family in this post are giving me, mark you at my age it does not take much to :-S me.

I have spent a large part of the last few days going back over this thread trying to find something that would lead to a definite connection between the Clusker's and the Kennedy's, have been going round in circles, and I keep coming back to rootgatherer's posts for the Kennedy births showing the mother as being a Jane Dickey/Dickie. Maybe I should be looking for a connection between Dickey/Dickie and Clusker instead of a connection between Kennedy and Clusker.

I am determined to crack this providing I can retain my sanity.

James ...Can you clarify the following...You have ....

"I looked at the marriage on SP for, John "Kennedy" and Mary Reynolds 1901, but no clue there to any McDade or Clusker connection.

I then looked at John "Reynolds" parents marriage, a Richard Reynolds and Mary Lafferty 1873, and again I drew a blank."

Who were the parents of John and Mary from the MC....