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16 Jan 2013 13:16 |
I'm trying to find the parents and siblings of my g-g-grandfather Henry Augustus SMITH, his place of birth and when he came to South Australia. All I know is that he married Mary AMBER on 7 June 1854 at Magill, Woodforde, SA. His age on his marriage certificate was 19, his father wasn't named and his occupation was listed as either sawyer or lawyer. I've tried to make a connection between him and the witnesses at his wedding, John and Susan Skinner, without success. He died on 16 September 1907 at Sydenham, SA aged 72 years. Some online trees say he was born in Somerset but I've found no evidence of this, and he was also known as James Augustus Long which I know nothing about. It’s also noted that he came to SA on the ship "Hydaspes" in 1851, but that Henry is from another family.
I’ve searched for all births of any Henry Augustus SMITHs in England in the timeframe 1830-1840 (just in case there were errors in his ages) in the hope that I could follow them on the Censuses and rule them out or otherwise. I already have: - HAS born 24 March 1835, Holborn, London, Middlesex, parents Alfred SMITH and Mary Ann HUSSEY - Henry Augustus SMITH baptised 1 October 1837, Lambeth, Surrey, parents Henry Augustus SMITH and Maria BARR - HAS born 1840, Tetbury, Gloucestershire - HAS born 1840, Guildford, Surrey. I’ve ruled out the first one born in Holborn, and after looking through the information posted below by forum members I think I can also rule out the Lambeth Henry. The last two are too young.
Is anyone please able to find any other births anywhere that I may have missed, or make suggestions on where to go next? Thank you.
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16 Jan 2013 13:20 |
1851 for reference 1851 census transcription details for: 29, Caroline Street, Lambeth
National Archive Reference: RG number: HO107 Piece: 1572 Folio: 396 Page: 27 Reg. District: Lambeth Sub District: Lambeth Church Parish: Lambeth Enum. District: 18 Ecclesiastical District: St Mary Lambeth City/Municipal Borough: Lambeth Address: 29, Caroline Street, Lambeth County: Surrey Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born SMITH, Henry Augustus Head Married M 40 1811 House Painter (Journeyman)Lambeth, Surrey SMITH, Maria Wife Married F 42 1809 Newington, Surrey SMITH, Henry Augustus Son M 13 1838 Has Just Left School Lambeth, Surrey SMITH, Maria Ebeabeth Daughter F 11 1840 Scholar Lambeth, Surrey SMITH, Edward George Son M 6 1845 ScholarLambeth, Surrey SMITH, Robert William Son M 3 1848 Lambeth, Surrey
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16 Jan 2013 13:30 |
1861 England Census
Name: Henry Augustus Smith Age: 23 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Sarah Elizabeth Smith Gender: Male Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England Civil parish: St Faith County/Island: Middlesex Country: England Registration district: London City Sub-registration district: London City North West
Henry Augustus Smith 23 Sarah Elizabeth Smith 19 Henry Francis Smith 3 Months Lucy Fish 58
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16 Jan 2013 13:32 |
1881 this might match the 1911 census but no idea if right man
Name: Henry A. Smith Age: 46 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Harriet Smith Gender: Male Where born: Holborn, Middlesex, England Civil parish: Newington County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 6 Draper St Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Cabinet Maker Upholsterer Employing 4 Men Registration district: St Saviour Southwark Sub-registration district: St Mary Newington ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 553 Folio: 33 Page Number: 7 Household Members: Name Age Henry A. Smith 46 Harriet Smith 46 Henry Smith 16 Mary Smith 12 Thomas Smith 10 Alfred Smith 8 George Smith 6 Albert E. Smith
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16 Jan 2013 13:35 |
This marriage matches the 1881 census so not your man
Name: Henry Augustus Smith Age: Full Age Spouse Name: Harriett Nicholls Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 27 Apr 1858 Parish: Bloomsbury St George Borough: Camden Father Name: Alfred Thomas Smith Spouse Father Name: James Nicholls Register Type: Parish Register
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16 Jan 2013 13:36 |
This looks like the married 53 years Augustus. Father named as Alfred Thomas a Tailor, so not yours. He is an Upholsterer as per 1911 census.
Civil Registration event: Marriage
Print Close Name: SMITH, Henry Augustus Registration district: St. Giles County: London Year of registration: 1858 Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912 Volume no: 1B Page no: 509 MarriageFinder: Henry Augustus Smith married one of the following people:
NICHOLLS, Harriett <<<<<<<<<<< SOMERVILLE, Jessie WILSON, John
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16 Jan 2013 13:38 |
?? The marriage to go with the 1861 census Civil Registration event: Marriage
Print Close Name: SMITH, Henry Augustus Registration district: Westminster County: London Year of registration: 1859 Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912 Volume no: 1A Page no: 522 MarriageFinder: Henry Augustus Smith married one of the following people:
FISH, Sarah Elizabeth <<<<< JOSLING, Esther
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brummiejan
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16 Jan 2013 13:41 |
An Ancestry tree has Henry & Sarah, but no info other than 1861 census. He was a mantle maker 1861, a very distinctive occupation, so if he kept this he would be reasonably easy to find. I can't spot his son 1871 either. Maybe they emigrated! Jan
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16 Jan 2013 13:41 |
Here is his son:
1871 England Census Name: Henry F Smith Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation: Grandchild Gender: Male Where born: London, Middlesex, England Civil parish: St John The Evangelist Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St George Hanover Square Sub-registration district: St John Westminster
Elizabeth Fish 80 Emily Kobler 16 Henry F Smith 10
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Maddie
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16 Jan 2013 13:42 |
tree on ancestry has a son
Henry Francis Smith Birth 19 Mar 1861 in St Faith Death
baptised
Christening Christ Church Greyfriars Newgate
1871 Name: Henry F Smith Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation: Grandchild Gender: Male Where born: London, Middlesex, England Civil parish: St John The Evangelist Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: St George Hanover Square Sub-registration district: St John Westminster ED, institution, or vessel: 16 Household schedule number: 188 Piece: 121 Folio: 64 Page Number: 36 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth Fish 80 Emily Kobler 16 Henry F Smith 10
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Maddie
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16 Jan 2013 13:44 |
1841 841 England Census about Henry A Smith Name: Henry A Smith Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Gender: Male Where born: Surrey, England Civil parish: Lambeth Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division) County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street Address:
Occupation: View image Registration district: Lambeth Sub-registration district: Lambeth Church Second Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 1058 Book: 6 Folio: 51 Page Number: 23 Household Members: Name Age Henry Augs Smith 30 Maria Smith 30 Henry A Smith 4 Maria E Smith 2 George Ben Smith 6 Mo William T B Smith 6 Mo
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16 Jan 2013 13:44 |
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1901 England Census Name: Henry F Smith Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ellen Smith Gender: Male Where born: London, England Civil parish: Hertford Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch County/Island: Hertfordshire Registration district: Hertford Sub-registration district: Hertford
Henry F Smith 40 Ellen Smith 41 Oliver C Smith 10 Melicent A Smith 9 Victor C Smith 7 Clarence H Smith 2
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16 Jan 2013 13:45 |
?? Is this Henry Francis aged 3 months on the 1861 census. Both census show a connection to the Fish family.
1871 census transcription details for: Rochester Row Emery Hill's Alms Houses, St John The Evangelist
Print Close National Archive Reference: RG number: RG10 Piece: 121 Folio: 64 Page: 36 Reg. District: St George Hanover Square Sub District: St John Parish: St John the Evangelist Enum. District: 16 Ecclesiastical District: City/Municipal Borough: Address: Rochester Row Emery Hill's Alms Houses, St John The Evangelist County: London, Middlesex Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born FISH, Elizabeth Head F 80 1791 Devon KOBLER, Emily Servant F 16 1855 Middlesex SMITH, Henry F Gt Gd Child M 10 1861 London
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16 Jan 2013 13:51 |
1881 Census Edward G. Smith Age: 36 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Mary Smith Gender: Male Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England Civil parish: Lambeth County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 28 Neville St Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: Packers Porter Registration district: Lambeth Sub-registration district: Lambeth Church Second ED, institution, or vessel: 35 Neighbors: View others on page Piece: 598 Folio: 80 Page Number: 28 Household Members: Name Age Edward G. Smith 36 Mary Smith 35 Mary L. Smith 14 Albert C. Smith 9 Harry A. Smith 6 Edith F. Smith 4 Hetty E. Smith 2 Frederick W. Smith
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brummiejan
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16 Jan 2013 13:58 |
Births Jun 1890 (>99%) Smith Oliver Cecil Hertford 3a 515
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16 Jan 2013 14:16 |
1901 to show occupation and places of birth 1901 census transcription details for: 4, Molewood Road, Hertford
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG13 Piece: 1305 Folio: 64 Page: 51 Reg. District: Hertford Sub District: Hertford Parish: Hertford Enum. District: 6 Ecclesiastical District: Christ Church City/Municipal Borough: Address: 4, Molewood Road, Hertford County: Hertfordshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born SMITH, Henry F Head Married M 40 1861 Tailor London SMITH, Ellen Wife Married F 41 1860 Oxford SMITH, Oliver C Son M 10 1891 Hertford, Hertfordshire SMITH, Milicent A Daughter F 9 1892 Hertford, Hertfordshire SMITH, Victor C Son M 7 1894 Hertford, Hertfordshire SMITH, Clarence H Son M 2 1899 Hertford, Hertfordshire
Same family 1891, showing Henry as Henry Fred (not sure on original, but not Francis). Born Edgeware Road 1891 census transcription details for: 75, St Andrew Street, St Andrew, Hertford
National Archive Reference: RG number: RG12 Piece: 1111 Folio: 65 Page: 15 Reg. District: Hertford Sub District: Hertford Parish: St Andrew Enum. District: 13 Ecclesiastical District: St Andrew City/Municipal Borough: Hertford Address: 75, St Andrew Street, St Andrew, Hertford County: Hertfordshire Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born SMITH, Henry Fred Head Married M 32 1859 Tailor London, Edgware Road SMITH, Ellen Wife Married F 33 1858 Oxford, Oxfordshire SMITH, Oliver C Son Single M 0 (11M) 1891 Hertford, Hertfordshire
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16 Jan 2013 14:40 |
1881 Census ? Henry A. Smith Age: 44 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ann Smith Gender: Male Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England Civil parish: Camberwell County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 16 Whittington Rd
Occupation: Insurance Agent Registration district: Camberwell Sub-registration district: Peckham
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16 Jan 2013 14:49 |
1891 Census
Henry A Smith Age: 54 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ann Smith Gender: Male Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England Civil parish: Camberwell Ecclesiastical parish: St Giles County/Island: London Country: England Street Address: 26 Eynsford Rd
Occupation:
Education:
Registration district: Camberwell Sub-registration district: Camberwell
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16 Jan 2013 14:54 |
1871 Census
Henry A Smith Age: 34 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Ann Smith Gender: Male Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England Civil parish: St James Clerkenwell Ecclesiastical parish: St Phillip County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Holborn Sub-registration district: Amwell ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household schedule number: 167 Piece: 384 Folio: 65 Page Number: 24 Household Members: Name Age Henry A Smith 34 Ann Smith 44 Jane E Smith 1
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16 Jan 2013 14:59 |
Marriage Banns
Henry Augustus Smith b:1811 Spouse Name: Maria Barr b:1809 Record Type: Banns Event Date: 4 Sep 1836 Parish: Lambeth St Mary Borough: Lambeth
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