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amanda louise

amanda louise Report 16 Feb 2013 19:36

nudge

Potty

Potty Report 17 Feb 2013 11:57

Hi Amanda - have been looking but not finding them on the census but is this Ruth and her family in 1911 - with a daughter Harriet Elizabeth, so maybe the suggestion that the Harriet in one census was the Elizabeth in another is right:

1911 England Census
about William Henry Herbert
Name: William Henry Herbert
Age in 1911: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Leicester
Civil parish: Bristol
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address: 39 Dean St, St George, Redfield, Bristol
Marital Status: Married
Occupation: stoker
Registration district: Bristol
Registration District Number: 319
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 40
Piece: 14949
Household Members: Name Age
William Henry Herbert 31
Ruth Herbert 29
Ernest William 7
Harriett Elizabeth 5

I think the Ruth Lory found as niece with Joseph and Sarah Ann Hicks in 1891 is probably your Ruth - it looks like Long on the image and a Sarah Ann Long could have married a Joseph Hicks i878:

Marriages Dec 1877 (>99%)

CARTER John Barton R. 6a 336
CARTER Sarah Ann Barton R. 6a 336
.*****Hicks Joseph Barton Regis 6a 336
Hill Ann Barton Regis 6a 336
*****LONG Sarah Ann Barton R. 6a 336

Potty

Potty Report 17 Feb 2013 12:09

I wonder if this could be Elizabeth in 1891 - she did have a sister Martha - will see if I can find Martha's marriage:

1891 England Census
about Elizabeth Long
Name: Elizabeth Long
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Sister-in-law
Gender: Female
Where born: Bitton, Gloucestershire, England

Civil parish: Oldland
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Keynsham
Sub-registration district: Oldland
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1942
Folio: 161
Page Number: 25
Household Members: Name Age
George Gay 25
Martha Gay 27
Ellen F Gay 2
Lillian K Gay 8/12
Elizabeth Long 24


Potty

Potty Report 17 Feb 2013 12:20

Ancestry ties up this marriage for George and Martha to the couple in 1911 and also ties up a death for a George B Gay! This is getting very confusing!

England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940
about George Bennett
Name: George Bennett
Gender: Male
Birth Date: abt 1865
Age: 19
Spouse's Name: Martha Long
Spouse's Age: 21
Spouse's Father's Name: Robert Long
Marriage Date: 29 Dec 1884
Marriage Place: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

Potty

Potty Report 17 Feb 2013 12:31

Oh Drat! Martha and the Sarah Ann who married Joseph Hicks had different fathers - so not sisters:

England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940
about Sarah Ann Long
Name: Sarah Ann Long
Gender: Female
Birth Date: abt 1853
Age: 24
Father's Name: James Long
Spouse's Name: Joseph Hicks
Spouse's Age: 22
Spouse's Father's Name: Almond Hicks
Marriage Date: 25 Dec 1877
Marriage Place: Bristol, Gloucestershire, England

Potty

Potty Report 17 Feb 2013 12:37

This looks like the right family in 1871 - mother's name Ruth!:

1871 England Census
about Harriett Long
Name: Harriett Long
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James Long
Mother's Name: Ruth Long
Gender: Female
Where born: Cardiff, Wales
Civil parish: St Philip and St Jacob
Ecclesiastical parish: St Silas
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Registration district: Clifton
Sub-registration district: St Philip
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Household schedule number: 218
Piece: 2562
Folio: 73
Page Number: 38
Household Members: Name Age
James Long 39
Ruth Long 39
Sarah Long 17
Charles Long 15
Alice Long 13
Harriett Long 11
Sophia Long 8
Ester Long 4
Caroline Long 1


Edit - all born Bristol except for Harriet and Alice.


Potty

Potty Report 17 Feb 2013 12:53

Harriet in 1911 (on the image Long is crossed out and Brian written over it. She is a widow:

1911 England Census
about Harrite Brain
Name: Harrite Brain
Age in 1911: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation to Head: Visitor
Gender: Female
Birth Place: Cardiff
Civil parish: Bristol
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England
Street Address: 44 Dean Street, Moorfields, Redfield, Bristol
Occupation: Washing
Registration district: Bristol
Registration District Number: 319
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Household schedule number: 84
Piece: 14949
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Brain 50
Lydeal Brain 47
Albert Brain 29
Edward Brain 18
Thomas Brain 15
Emily Brain 12
James Brain 10
John Brain 7
Harrite Brain 50
Walter Long 39


Potty

Potty Report 17 Feb 2013 12:55

In 1891 - living next door to the family in the 1911:

1891 England Census
about Harriet Bram
Name: Harriet Bram
[Harriet Brain]
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George Bram
Gender: Female
Where born: Cardiff

Civil parish: St George
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
Town: St George
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Barton Regis
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1977
Folio: 46
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
George Bram 36
Harriet Bram 29


If only we can find her in 1901 - perhaps Ruth will be with her!

Potty

Potty Report 17 Feb 2013 13:10

Sorry, Amanda, no luck with either Harriet or Ruth in 1901. Perhaps somebody with FMP can do an address search on the address Ruth gives on her marriage cert?

Potty

Potty Report 17 Feb 2013 13:18

Look who is living at 3 Dean Terrace in 1901 - the same Brain family that Harriet is with in 1911 - but no Harriet or Ruth, I am afraid:

1901 England Census
about Albert A Brain
Name: Albert A Brain
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Lydia Brain
Gender: Male
Where born: Bristol

Civil parish: Bristol
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Gloucestershire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Bristol
Sub-registration district: St George
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 189
Piece: 2390
Folio: 62
Page Number: 41
Household Members: Name Age
Albert A Brain 40
Lydia Brain 38
Albert A Brain 20
Mary E Brain 17
Alice E Brain 13
Florrie E Brain 11
Alfred Brain 9
Edward Brain 8
Thomas Brain 6
Emily Brain 3
James Brain 7 Months


Edit: There does seem to have been problems with this particular section of the census - a note at the end mentions that 24 houses have had at least 2 forms delivered and that the return has been re-done - perhaps Ruth, Harriet and George were somehow omitted. There are two entries for 3 Dean street.

amanda louise

amanda louise Report 21 Feb 2013 12:09

Thank you Potty. I appologise for my late respons as I lost my other Great Grandmother the day before you responded. I thank you so much for you'r continued help and support

Potty

Potty Report 21 Feb 2013 12:18

Sorry to hear of your loss, Amanda. Please come back when things have settled down, if we be of any more help.

amanda louise

amanda louise Report 7 Mar 2013 18:09

Hello Potty I trust you are well. Thank you so much for you're kind words.