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Hi there,

I am looking for infor on some family of mine.

I'm currently in the PRONI and found the baptism of my gg grandmother Margaret Ferris, born 28th March 1861 in Tonaghmore(?),Saintfield, County Down, Ireland in the First Saintfield Presbyterian Church.

Her parents were William Ferris, a tennant farmer it seems (not mentioned on the baptism but from the Griffiths valuation) and Eliza Jane DEANS.

I also found siblings:

Sarah (born 1848 from census in 1901 - married David Cardwell)
Lizzie Jane (b. 1850 from 1901 census)
James (1856)
Agnes (1857)
George (1863)

When looking for info on them on the family these siblings (not sure which church):

Deborah (1866)
Martha (1869)

Both born in Saintfield, County Down, Ireland. There on the IGI I found this marriage:

William Ferris
British Columbia, Marriage Registrations, 1859-1932
spouse: Elizabeth Dean
child: William George Ferris


name: William George Ferris
event: Marriage
event date: 01 Jan 1914
event place: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
age: 37
estimated birth year: 1877
birthplace: Perm, Ontario
marital status: Bachelor
father: William Ferris
mother: Elizabeth Dean
spouse: Margaret Elizabeth Johnson
spouse's age: 27
spouse's estimated birth year: 1887
spouse's birthplace: Priedene Bay, Ontario
spouse's marital status: Spinster
spouse's father: John Robison Johnson
spouse's mother: Hannah Dean
digital folder number: 004400861
bc archives film number: B11378
banns or license: License

Could the family have emmigrated to Canada?

Can someone take a look for Canadian deaths please for a William Ferris and Eliza Jane DEANS Ferris?

Thank you!

Peter

British Columbia, Canada, Death Index, 1872-1990

Name: William George Ferris
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1876
Death Age: 85
Death Date: 2 Jun 1961
Death Location: Ladner
Registration number: 1961-09-007032
BCA Number: B13252
GSU Number: 2033373

I think this might be the family for the death I posted above:

1891 Census of Canada about Wm George Ferris

Name: Wm George Ferris
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Age: 15
Birth Year: abt 1876
Birthplace: Ontario
Relation to Head of House: Son
Religion: Methodist
French Canadian: No
Father's Name: William Ferris
Father's Birth Place: Ireland
Mother's Name: Elizabeth A Ferris
Mother's Birth Place: Ireland
Province: Ontario
District Number: 118
District: Simcoe South
Subdistrict: Mulmur
Neighbors:

Household Members:
Name Age
William Ferris 50
Elizabeth A Ferris 43
John Ferris 19
Margarit J Ferris 17
Wm George Ferris 15
leucinda E Ferris 12
Mary Eva Ferris 7

All children born Ontario.

So, as my ancestor Margaret Ferris (born 1861) was living in Yorkshire, England, with her own family in 1891, it seems this void?!

Surely William would not have two daughters named Margaret?

And it also seems he would have remarried - what do you think?

I don't think that 1891 is your family, more likely William George went over on his own - haven't yet found him on a passenger list, but still looking ....

.... or may just be a complete coincidence.

When were your William snr and Eliza Jane Deans born?

Now please note the only connection I have with him is the marriage from 1914 and the parents details - and the marriage shows he was born in Ontario!

Maybe just the wrong family?!

Peter

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There's a marriage for a Deborah Ferris [father William] to a Johnston Hughes 26th july 1890 Crescent Presbyterian Church, Belfast.

Census Years1901DownPottingerMontrose StreetResidents of a house
Residents of a house 64 in Montrose Street (Pottinger, Down)
Show all informationSurname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
Hughes Eveline Deborah 3 Female Daughter Episcopalian Belfast Scholar Cannot read - Not Married -
Hughes Rachel 7 Female Daughter Episcopalian Belfast Scholar Read and write - Not Married -
Hughes Johnston 41 Male Head of Family Episcopalian County Down Holder up Shipyard Read and write English Married -
Hughes William Johnston 5 Male Son Episcopalian Belfast Scholar Read - Not Married -
Hughes George Male Son Episcopalian Belfast - Cannot read - Not Married -
Hughes Debora 35 Female Wife Episcopalian County Down - Read and write English

1881 England Census
about George Ferris Name: George Ferris
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Down, Ireland

Civil parish: Ormesby
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: 40 Pierson St
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Hair Dresser

Registration district: Middlesbrough
Sub-registration district: Ormesby
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4861
Folio: 75
Page Number: 32
Household Members: Name Age
David Cardwell 53
Sarah Cardwell 33
George Ferris 16

George FERRIS . Saintfield a barber in 1892

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/F/Fe.htm#fer

Maura! This is all fantastic! Thank you ... how did you find it all?!

I have searched for Deborah but found nothing. Lovelt to see something on George also. Wow, thank you!

And how can I try to find deaths for these people?

1911 Census for Deborah:

ation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living
Hughes Johnston 52 Male Head of Family Church of Ireland Belfast Holder Up at Ship Yard Read and write - Married - 20 5 5
Hughes Doborah 43 Female Wife Church of Ireland Belfast - Read and write - Married - 20 5 5
Hughes Rachel 17 Female Daughter Church of Ireland Belfast Fancy Box Maker Read and write - Single - - - -
Hughes William Johnston 15 Male Son Church of Ireland Belfast Grocer Shop Assistant Read and write - Single - - - -
Hughes Evelyn Dborah 18 Female Daughter Church of Ireland Belfast Scholar Read and write - Single - - - -
Hughes Younge 10 Male Son Church of Ireland Belfast Scholar Read and write - Single - - - -
Hughes Joseph 6 Male Son Church of Ireland Belfast Scholar Cannot read - Single - - - -

nudge I would love to find out more on this family!

Peter - I've previously asked when were William Ferris and Eliza Jane Deans born.

I found Deborah marriage on emeraldancestors, and I got her fathers name from ancestryireland

Name of deceased Deborah Hughes
Last place of residence 80 Thistle Street
Age 79 Years
Sex
Date of death 22 February 1946
Date of burial 25 February 1946
Cemetery Dundonald Cemetery
Grave section and number F5 663
Burial Type Earth Burial

Name of deceased Johnston Hughes
Last place of residence 51 Lisburn Rd 80 Thistle St
Age 71 Years
Sex
Date of death 6 July 1930
Date of burial 9 July 1930
Cemetery Dundonald Cemetery
Grave section and number F5 663
Burial Type Earth Burial

Name of deceased Eveline Deborah Hughes
Last place of residence 80 Thistle Street
Age 25 Years
Sex
Date of death 3 October 1922
Date of burial 5 October 1922
Cemetery Dundonald Cemetery
Grave section and number F5 663
Burial Type Earth Burial

Name of deceased Rachel Mckenzie
Last place of residence Ulster Hospl Templemore Ave (80 Thistle St)
Age 25 Years
Sex
Date of death 9 August 1918
Date of burial 12 August 1918
Cemetery Dundonald Cemetery
Grave section and number F5 663
Burial Type Earth Burial

https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialSearch.aspx

This could be George, but has changed his occupation and his age jumps 20 from 1901 to 1911

Census Years1901AntrimSt. George's Ward BelfastWellwood StreetResidents of a house
Residents of a house 16 in Wellwood Street (St. George's Ward Belfast, Antrim)
Show all informationSurname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses
Totton Archie 15 Male Boarder Methodist Belfast Errand Boy Read and write - Not Married -
Ferris Annie 4 Female Daughter Episcopal Church Belfast - Cannot - Not Married -
Ferris Josephine 1 Female Daughter Episcopal Church Belfast - Cannot - Not Married -
Ferris Lizzie 5 Female Daughter Episcopal Church Belfast - Cannot - Not Married -
Martin Robert 71 Male Father in Law Episcopal Church Banbridge - Read and write - Widower Deaf and Dumb
Ferris George 30 Male Head of Family Episcopal Church Church of Ireland Armagh Dealer Cannot - Married -
Ferris Martha 23 Female Wife Episcopal Church


Census Years1911AntrimSt. George'sLincoln PlaceResidents of a house
Residents of a house 25 in Lincoln Place (St. George's, Antrim)
Show all informationSurname Forename Age Sex Relation to head Religion Birthplace Occupation Literacy Irish Language Marital Status Specified Illnesses Years Married Children Born Children Living
Ferris George 50 Male Head of Family Church of Ireland Belfast General Labourer Cannot read - Widower Blind - - -
Ferris Annie 15 Female Daughter Church of Ireland Belfast Stitcher Read and write - Single - - - -
Ferris Josephine 10 Female Daughter Church of Ireland Belfast Scholar Read and write - Single - - - -
McGuffin William 45 Male Boarder Church of Ireland Belfast General Labourer Read and write - Single - - - -
Totten Archie 25 Male Boarder Church of Ireland

George Ferris married Martha Martin 2nd May 1894 Saint Johns Laganbank Church of Ireland, Knockbreda Belfast

Children
Eliza Jane 1895
Annie Maria 1896
Margaret 1899
Agnes jospehine 1900
Emma 1903

Name of deceased Martha Ferris
Last place of residence 5 Lincoln Place
Age 33 Years
Sex
Date of death 9 May 1909
Date of burial 11 May 1909
Cemetery Dundonald Cemetery
Grave section and number E4 347
Burial Type Earth Burial

Name of deceased Annie Ferris
Last place of residence 12 Charles St Sth
Age 21 Years
Sex
Date of death 2 July 1918
Date of burial 4 July 1918
Cemetery Dundonald Cemetery
Grave section and number E4 347
Burial Type Earth Burial

Name of deceased Josephine Caldwell
Last place of residence 15 Charles St South
Age 17 Years
Sex
Date of death 8 May 1917
Date of burial 10 May 1917
Cemetery Dundonald Cemetery
Grave section and number E4 347
Burial Type Earth Burial

Name of deceased Emma Ferris
Last place of residence 5 Lincoln Place
Age 2 Days
Sex
Date of death 3 January 1903
Date of burial 3 January 1903
Cemetery City Cemetery - Public Ground
Grave section and number
Burial Type Earth Burial

Hi MarieCeleste - I really don't have any more information on William Ferris or Eliza Jane Deans. No birth dates, places or deaths or even marriage. I've looked on Familysearch but nothing jumps out!

Also thank you Moira - really kind of you! Please if you have more information keep it coming ... The Hughes information is great but I'm inclined to say the George Ferris information is not. Is his father mentioned on the marriage certificate?

Thank you again!

Peter

You would have to buy George's marriage cert to see what information is on it. He's blind by 1911 so that could be a reason why he give up being a barber

Thanks Maura - this is really kind of you. The main concern was that George was born in Saintfield, but the census shows Belfast and Armagh! That is my main concern. Also, have you been able to spot any other siblings? I'm fascinated by all of this new Irish information.

Where are there indexes for me to search this alone?