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Possible link thanks to Gins.

I have searched Thomas White on the link you provided to SheffieldIndexers.

Thomas is listed in the 1846 Slaters directory as being resident at 69 Broad Street, Sheffield.
In the 1861 census he is also there aged 51 and listed as a Boot & Shoe Maker (my grandfather told me that was the family trade in past years... I even inherited some of the equipment passed down)
Of the sons listed in the 1861 census there is a Henry White, aged 12.

Could this be Henry John White? The father of the elusive George Henry White / George William White??

I used the Register Office in Town Hall, Pinstone Street.

I believe George was born in Ecclesaw..... assuming I am tracking the right one.

Baptism (Find My Past website)
Day:29
Month:Dec
Year:1872
Surname:White
Forename:George Henry
Father:Thomas
Mother:Matilda
Occupation:Sheep Shear Forger
Abode:Portobello Street
Birth day:15
Birth month:Oct
Birth year:1872
Church:Sheffield St Peter & St Paul (Cathedral)
Place:Sheffield
County:Yorkshire
Comments:
Record source:Sheffield Baptisms
Data provider:Sheffield & District Family History Society

Burial
First name(s): George Henry
Last name: WHITE
Date of burial 4 May 1873
Age at death: 15 Months
Calculated year of birth: 1872
Place of burial Sheffield
Dedication: St Mary
County: Yorkshire (West Riding)
Sheffield St Mary:
Denomination: Anglican
Coverage 1830 - 1938
Number of entries: 27,118
Record source: National Burial Index
Data provider: Sheffield & District Family History Society

(not sure if above fits with anything)

Chris :)

(runs orf'', before Gins gives me a thick ear, lol)

Flip

I have Violetta's death cert. She died on 05th June 1955 at Cotswold Cresent, Billingham (mt grandparents lived there and I visited often as a child)
She was a widow when she died, she was living with my grandparents and my father (who was a child) at the time of her death.
I am unsure of when George died but have a reference to 1925 on a relatives tree... but nothing supporting it.

Hope that helps

Gavin do you know when George (ggf) died and could you confirm that the 1955 death for Violetta is right? Any idea of the year or do you already have his death certificate?

Also, do you know if he served in WW1?

I think our posts crossed, yes I have already seen that death in Tyneside reg district for 1925 - again no probate to check it out.

Chris

Thank you. Not sure if your second item is feasable as the one I am looking for would have lived to become a father....
The first one could open a new line of investigation. Will wait to see the current line out though

Thank you

Don't rely on a relatives tree, it may be worth getting the 1925 death certificate to see who registered the death (hopefully Violetta) which should proove whether it is him.

Deaths Dec 1925 (>99%)
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WHITE George H 53 Tynemouth 10b 240

Thanks Flip. Which office do I contact to quote that reference too?

Gavin

Broad Street Sheffield Park, should come under 'Sheffield' as opposed to 'Ecclesall B'

So you have two records (Birth) to send for



For BMD records in Eng?Wales

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/

Gins

Are the 2 you are refering too;

9c 372
9c 384

If so, these are the 2 I have already investigated and they showed no information relating to parents. So I didnt bother paying for them to be released (the staff checked into it for me)

Flip

I have Georges place of death as;

49 St Thomas Street West, Northumberland

Regards

Cheapest place is the GRO website posted by Gins. If you have the children's birth certificates you should have their 1919 address so this may also confirm or throw out the death.

Incidently, which of the children's marriages recorded their fathers as different? It's just if he did die when they were fairly young memories play tricks - which could be the same for their mother. I was recently asked my first husband's name - which I knew, but couldn't remember his middle name without looking for our marriage! ;-)

But then again, I must be getting old :-D

Flip

Hope this isnt confusing as one of my grandads brothers is also named George Henry White...

James Frederick White - lists his father as George Henry White
George Henry White - Lists his father as George William White
Charles William White - Lists his father as George Henry White
Albert White - Lists his father as George William White according to a relative - I have not seen his marriage cert (married Ivy Holyome, not sure of year but it was pre 1947)
Albert was born 01/04/1919 in Wallsend, died 15/01/1981 in Southampton
Ivy was born 11/08/1921 in Hackney, died 28/09/2006 in Andover, Hampshire (information from their daughter Brenda White)


When the junior George got married in 1942, his father (George William) is listed as deceased on the cert.

Another thought, do you actually have the birth certificates for the 4 brothers or have you relied on their death registrations for their birth dates?

And, as I asked before, which marriages state George Henry as father and which state the other name? (sorry, getting old I think you said George John?)

The normal channels of research have produced great results, but you now need to try to get into the heads of your ancestors to get any further!

edit: guess we crossed again - sorry don't type too fast these days.

Strange I really expected the later children to get the name different. Could you post years of marriage against them please? It just saves my old fingers!

Baptisms
Day:20
Month:Apr
Year:1842
Surname:White
Forename:Thomas
Father:Thomas
Mother:Harriet
Occupation:Shoe Mr
Abode:Sheffield
Birth day:13
Birth month:Mar
Birth year:1842
Church:Sheffield St Peter & St Paul (Cathedral)
Place:Sheffield
County:Yorkshire

Day:27
Month:Dec
Year:1846
Surname:White
Forename:John
Father:Thomas
Mother:Harriet
Occupation:Shoe Mr
Abode:Sheffield
Birth day:13
Birth month:Apr
Birth year:1845
Church:Sheffield St Peter & St Paul (Cathedral)
Place:Sheffield
County:Yorkshire

Day:18
Month:Jun
Year:1848
Surname:White
Forename:Henry
Father:Thomas
Mother:Harriet
Occupation:Shoe Mr
Abode:Sheffield
Birth day:1
Birth month:May
Birth year:1848
Church:Sheffield St Peter & St Paul (Cathedral)
Place:Sheffield
County:Yorkshire
Record source:Sheffield Baptisms

Day:24
Month:Aug
Year:1851
Surname:White
Forename:Ellen
Father:Thomas
Mother:Harriet
Occupation:Shoe Mr
Abode:Sheffield
Birth day:23
Birth month:Jul
Birth year:1851
Church:Sheffield St Peter & St Paul (Cathedral)
Place:Sheffield
County:Yorkshire


(not sure if relating, Thomas, Shoemaker!)

Chris :)

1851
WHITE, Thomas Head Married M 41 1810 Cord Wainer
Sheffield
WHITE, Harriet Wife F 39 1812
Sheffield
WHITE, Thomas Son M 8 1843
Sheffield
WHITE, John Son M 5 1846 Scholar
Sheffield
WHITE, Henry M 2 1849
Sheffield
MOORE, William Unmarried M 17 1834 Cord Wainers Apprentice
Sheffield
PENISTONE, Alfred Visitor Unmarried M 23 1828 Steel Melten
Wickersley, Yorkshire
PENISTONE, Francis Visitor Married M 30 1821 Carter
Wickersley, Yorkshire
PENISTONE, Loyd Visitor Married M 32 1819
Sheffield
PENISTONE, Ann Visitor F 5 1846
Sheffield
PENISTONE, Frances Visitor F 3 1848
Sheffield
PENISTONE, Alfred M 2 1849
Wickersley, Yorkshire
PENISTONE, Charlotte F 0 (9 MOS) 1851
Wickersley, Yorkshire
Piece: 2341
Folio: 62
Page: 51
Registration District: Sheffield
Civil Parish: Sheffield
Municipal Borough: Sheffield
Address: Broad Street, Sheffield
County: Yorkshire (West riding)

Flip

My previous reply lists the marriages for each of the 4 brothers and whose named their father accordingly.

I have birth certs for;
James Frederick White - 22 Feb 1915 (Entry 162, book 95 - Wallsend, Tynemouth)
George Henry White - 26 Aug 1912 (Entry 322, book 88 - Wallsend, Tynemouth)

The other 2 brothers information has been gained from living relatives (Son and Daughter)

Flip

Marriage dates;

James frederick White - Dorothy Winifred White (same name.. nightmare) - married on 18th Dec 1948, Entry 166, Parish Church, Billingham, SE Durham.

George Henry White - Annie Walton - Married on 25th July 1942, Entry 205, St John the Evangelist Parish Church, Darlington.

other 2 I dont have

Chris

That is the line I was following having assumed that George Henry White is a son of Henry John White. Descendant of Thomas and Harriet as per your information.... I just need proof.... somehow.
The information is there... its just tying it up with evidence that it is truly my line.
Without certs I cant be sure... and thus far I have had no joy with certs.

Chris, that is certainly the list of names and dates I have... you have given me exact dobs and baptisms... perfect... I hope the baptism route will yeild something further forward...

oh and I had Harriet's maiden name as Garratt?? Though I had her spelt as Harriot

I have a note from another relative stating the following information.... again he assumes this is the right line to be tracing;

George Henry White was born in 1872 in Carlisle Street, Sheffield.
Died 04th October 1925 in Wallsend (49 Thomas Street West)

I have no proof of this though