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Thanks. I wonder if John Herbert Clugston(e) took the name Kinvig from his adopted family for the 1911 census. I thought GR would be a good site but obviously Ancestry sounds more informative.

1911 Isle of Man Census about Herbert Kinvig
Name: Herbert Kinvig
Age in 1911: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation to Head: Head
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Rwshen, Isle of Man
Civil parish: Conchan
Country: Isle of Man
Street Address: 11 Falcon St Douglas Isle of Man
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 4
Occupation: Labourer (maltstar)
Registration district: Isle of Man
Registration District Number: 635
Sub-registration district: Conchan
ED, institution, or vessel: 18/24
Household schedule number: 145
Piece: 34677
Household Members:
Name Age
Herbert Kinvig 30
Eleanor Margh Kinvig 27
John Robt Kelly 73 Father in Law
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KINVIG, HERBERT

Rank: Private
Service No: 53653
Date of Death: 14/06/1918
Age: 38
Regiment/Service: Lancashire Fusiliers, 2nd Bn.
Grave Reference
I. G. 13.
Cemetery
MONT-BERNANCHON BRITISH CEMETERY, GONNEHEM
Additional Information:
Son of John and Anne Kinvig, of Castletown, Isle of Man; husband of Mrs. E. M. Kinvig, of 4540 Oakland Avenue, St. Louis, Missouri, U.S.A.

1911 England Census
Name: John Kinvig
Age in 1911: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1888
Birth Place: Castletown, Isle of Man
Civil parish: Aldershot
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street Address: 1St Cavalry Brigade, 2Nd Dragoon Guards, Wellington Lines, Aldershot
Marital Status: Single
Military unit: 2nd Dragoon Guards Queen'S Bays
Registration district: Farnham
Registration District Number: 34
Sub-registration district: Aldershot
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Piece: 3122

GR isn't the best place to do research. They don't have any records of their own.......all are taken from other sources

The people who help on these boards use other sites.

This is from Ancestry..............

1901 Isle of Man Census
Name: Ann Kenvig
[Ann Kinvig]
Age in 1901: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1857
Gender: Female
Where born: Rushen, Isle of Man, Isle of Man
Civil parish: Malew
Ecclesiastical parish: Malew
Town: Castletown
County/Island: Isle of Man
Country: Isle of Man
Registration district: Isle of Man
Sub-registration district: Isle of Man
ED, institution, or vessel: 2b
Household schedule number: 48
Piece: 5308
Folio: 115
Page Number: 6
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Kenvig 44
Herbert Kenvig 20
William Kenvig 23
Bessie Kenvig 15
John Kenvig 13
John Clugston 4 (Adopted son) born MALEW

No sign of John Clugston in 1911

Why is it I cannot find a Kinvig family in the 1901 Isle of Man census ? I already have the info but I want to check one person & I can get nothing on GR. Ann 44, Herbert 20, John 13 & the person I want to check - a 4 year old boy John Clugstone who was 'adopted' by Ann Kinvig. I would like to find out if it said 'adopted' & then find him on the 1911 census. I have this family on my CD rom but why can I not get it on this site ? Thanks

Best to leave it Kathleen, then any further queries relating, we can refer back.

On left side, under heading 'Tools', you will find it in 'My Threads'.

(you certainly have a lot of names there to work with, lol)

Chris :)

Thanks everyone. I have now printed out this info so do I leave this thread or delete it & start a new one later ? Ultimus meaning Last in Latin makes sense as mother was then 44 so she probably thought That's it ! No more !

Marriages Jun 1923 (>99%)
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Farrell Annie W M Jackson Derby 7b 1251
Jackson Laurence G Farrell Derby 7b 1251

(not sure if above fits)

Although, 1911 for Ultimus, says 12 children born, 11 living, 1 died.

Chris :)

Ultimus is the Latin for "last" and Gulielmus the Latin for William.

Morning,

The 1901 post I put up about Percy Baker Jackson, on the actual census form it does read Ultimus but is transcribed as William.

The other thing is that Ultimus could be an old spelling of William anyway as I have had a Guilimus in a tree somewhere which was the old spelling of Willliam.

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906 (Ancestry website)

Name: Arthur Jackson
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 12 Dec 1876
Christening Date: 31 May 1878
Christening Place: Whitwell, Derbyshire, England
Age at Christening: 1
Father's Name: Ultimus Jackson
Mother's Name: Charlotte

Name: William Hand Jackson
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 29 Sep 1878
Christening Date: 29 Aug 1879
Christening Place: Whitwell, Derbyshire, England
Age at Christening: 0
Father's Name: Ultimus Jackson
Mother's Name: Charlotte

Name: Winifred Jackson
Gender: Female
Birth Date: 22 Apr 1880
Christening Date: 15 Aug 1880
Christening Place: Whitwell, Derbyshire, England
Age at Christening: 0
Father's Name: Ultimus Jackson
Mother's Name: Charlotte

Name: Joseph Herbert Jackson
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 16 Feb 1882
Christening Place: Whitwell, Derbyshire, England
Father's Name: Ultimus Jackson
Mother's Name: Charlotte

Name: Walter Ernest Jackson
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 30 Nov 1883
Christening Date: 18 Jan 1884
Christening Place: Whitwell, Derbyshire, England
Age at Christening: 0
Father's Name: Ultimus Jackson
Mother's Name: Charlotte

Chris :)

1891
JACKSON, ? Head Married M 41 1850 Station Master (Ultimus on image)
Measham, Derbyshire
JACKSON, Charlotte Wife Married F 38 1853
Wavendon, Buckinghamshire
JACKSON, Annie Daughter Single F 19 1872 Pupil Teacher
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
JACKSON, Ellen Daughter Single F 17 1874
Grandon, Warwickshire
JACKSON, Charley Son Single M 15 1876 Butchers Apprentice
Grandon, Warwickshire
JACKSON, Arthur Son M 14 1877 Scholar
Whitwell, Derbyshire
JACKSON, William H Son M 12 1879 Scholar
Whitwell, Derbyshire
JACKSON, Winifred Daughter F 10 1881 Scholar
Cresswell, Derbyshire
JACKSON, Joseph Herbt Son M 9 1882 Scholar
Cresswell, Derbyshire
JACKSON, Walter Earnest Son M 8 1883
Cresswell, Derbyshire
JACKSON, Lawrence Gordon Son M 6 1885
Cresswell, Derbyshire
JACKSON, Jessie Mable Daughter F 3 1888
Cresswell, Derbyshire
JACKSON, Percy Baker Son M 2 1889
Cresswell, Derbyshire
JACKSON, George Edward Son M 0 (1M) 1891
Cresswell, Derbyshire
Piece: 2647
Folio: 177
Page: 16
Registration District: Worksop
Civil Parish: Elmton
Municipal Borough:
Address: Barm Row, Elmton, Cresswell
County: Nottinghamshire

1901
JACKSON, Ultimus Head Married M 51 1850 Station Master
Measham, Derbyshire
JACKSON, Charlotte Wife Married F 47 1854
Wavendon, Bedfordshire
JACKSON, Charles Son Single M 25 1876 Railway Signalman
Grendon, Warwickshire
JACKSON, William H Son Single M 22 1879 Colliery Clerk
Whitwell, Derbyshire
JACKSON, Joseph H Son Single M 19 1882
Creswell, Derbyshire
JACKSON, Walter E Son Single M 17 1884 Railway Clerk
Creswell, Derbyshire
JACKSON, Jessie M Daughter Single F 13 1888
Creswell, Derbyshire
JACKSON, Percy B Son Single M 12 1889
Creswell, Derbyshire
JACKSON, George E Son Single M 10 1891
Creswell, Derbyshire
CALOW, George Son-In-Law Married M 27 1874 Railway Reliefman
Liverpool, Lancashire
CALOW, Annie Daughter Married F 28 1873
Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
CALOW, Winifred Grand Daughter F 0 (10 MOS) 1901
Cudworth, Yorkshire
Piece: 3130
Folio: 99
Page: 12
Registration District: Worksop
Civil Parish: Elmton (Derby)
Municipal Borough:
Address: Creswell Station, Elmton (Derby), Elmton
County: Nottinghamshire


(you might need free link below to check Birth years)


http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Chris :)


Marriages Jun 1904 (>99%)
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Griffiths Rosa May Worksop 7b 83
Jackson Walter Ernest Worksop 7b 83


Year:1904
Forenames:Walter Ernest
Surname:JACKSON
Spouse Forenames:Rosa May
Spouse Surname:GRIFFITHS
Place:Elmton
Description:St.Peter
County:Derbyshire
Country:England
Reg Office:393
Register Entry:PC27/01/281
Record source:Derbyshire Registrars Marriage Index

(above might relate, from Find My Past website, but should be on Genes too...Parish Marriages, Elmton.

P.S. found the little envelopes now & they are still unopened.

Thanks again for all that info. You are all helpful & kind to answer my 'teething' questions. I see that Percy B Jackson & all his siblings have father William & mother Charlotte. In the facts I have for all these chn it is Charlotte & Ultimus.I started on Ultimus because of his more unusual name - he must have had William also as a name. Poor Charlotte - she seems to have been pregnant every 18 months to produce 12 chn. I think Laurence Gordon must have died as I only have him to age 6. The reason I paid for the Parish registers records was mainly to research all Ultimus's siblings & their chn but so far I've found nothing.

Hi Kathleen,

Glad to see that MarieCeleste, Astra and Inky1 have pointed you in the direction of FamilySearch.

Its a great tool, and FREE!

Re your other question, if you have messages, either opening ones from another Genes member or in reply to your own, the ' Messages ' along the top of the home page will have the number of messages waiting for you.

Also, if you're not sure if your messages to other people have been read, go to your 'Sent' messages.

If the little envelope is still closed, then the message has not been read. If the envelope has disappeared, then they have opened it.

If you're trying to make contact, it's probably best not to use the automated Genes 'Request to view your tree one', as a lot of members find it quite blunt and uninformative. Probably better to replace the header with the name of the person you are enquiring about, and then replace the message by saying who you think you have in common, and what your relationship/interest is.

Some parish records are available on :

http://www.freereg.org.uk/

but it can be a bit hit and miss as it's a work in progress. Free though! :-)

1901 England Census
about Percy B Jackson
Name: Percy B Jackson
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Jackson
Mother's Name: Charlotte Jackson
Gender: Male
Where born: Creswell, Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: Elmton
Ecclesiastical parish: Elmton St Peter
Town: Elmton
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Worksop
Sub-registration district: Carburton
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 64
Piece: 3130
Folio: 99
Page Number: 12
Household Members: Name Age
William Jackson 51
Charlotte Jackson 47
Charles Jackson 25
William H Jackson 22
Joseph H Jackson 19
Walter E Jackson 17
Jessie M Jackson 13
Percy B Jackson 12
George E Jackson 10
George Calow 27 ******Son in Law
Annie Calow 28 *****Dau
Winfred Calow 10 Months

Kathleen, no matter what access you have to various records it's inevitable that sometimes the only way to know who married who is to buy some certificates (order from GRO).

If the marriages were before 1911 then you can check out the various permutation of names from marriage index that way.

Thanks. As you say it's a matter of taking time to see what comes up. I'll check out that site again. The options I mentioned I got were from GR. I have sent requests to 2 people to view their trees on Ultimus Jackson. Have had no answer but not sure yet where exactly I find an answer ! Will it be obvious when I sign in that someone has answered. Do I have to have a tree before a person will let me view - I have started one but not much added yet. Thanks

1911 England Census
about Joseph Herbert Jackson
Name: Joseph Herbert Jackson
Age in 1911: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation to Head: Boarder
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Derby, Derbyshire, England
Civil parish: Sheffield
County/Island: Yorkshire-West Riding
Country: England
Street Address: 22 Holywell Rd Sheffield
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Iron Turner
Registration district: Sheffield
Registration District Number: 510
Sub-registration district: East Brightside
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Piece: 27981
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Epworth Eyre 31
Melina Beatrice Eyre 31
Melina Kate Eyre 4
Thomas Albert Jones Eyre 3
Albert Jones 30
Ernest Roe 26
John Allen 29
Joseph Herbert Jackson 28 SINGLE***********

Kathleen, that record is from Family Search as mentioned further up. Here's a link so you can bookmark it https://familysearch.org

This is the direct link to the info that Kucinta posted:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NXPB-J9R

It's well worth taking the time to become familiar with the site and see what it has to offer. There are some collections that aren't indexed and you just have to sit and plough through the images but you soon get the hang of it. And it's all free!