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Please can anyone help? :-)
Kate Elizabeth was born in May 1860 & Christening 26 MAY 1860 Primitive Methodist, Newport IOW, the daughter of James Taylor & Maria [Charlotte Riddett] I have her & her family in the census until 1871,
I think ? I have found her in free BMD Marriages Jun 1879 SMITH Joseph William A Camberwell & Taylor Kate Elizabeth Camberwell, I don’t think this is in the “London marriages”???
This checks out with the 1881 census? Kate is 21 born Isle of Wight Hampshire, Joseph W Smith born 1857 Portsmouth Hampshire & daughter Florence 1881, have them in 1911 census,
However I found a Tree for her on An…… please can someone look to see if they have her marriage? & how they are related to Kate, I have tried to find their tree on line.

Thank you,

Ann E

Not sure that Kate Elizabeth married Joseph William Smith. This is them (I think) on the 1891 census. Kate's mother appears to be Elizabeth DUNN ?

Perhaps it is a different family ?


1891

RG number: RG12
Piece: 402
Folio: 52
Page: 60
Reg. District: Lambeth
Sub District: Kennington First
Parish: Lambeth
Enum. District: 32
Ecclesiastical District: All Saints South Lambeth
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 24, Fountain Street, Lambeth
County: London


SMITH, Joseph W Head Married M 34 1857 Store Houseman
Portsmouth, Hampshire
SMITH, Kate Wife Married F 30 1861
Isle of Wight
SMITH, Frances M Daughter F 9 1882 Scholar
Westminster, London
SMITH, Jenny E Daughter F 8 1883 Scholar
Westminster, London
SMITH, Annie E Daughter F 4 1887 Scholar
Lambeth, London
SMITH, Kate A Daughter F 2 1889
Lambeth, London
DUNN, Elizabeth Mother In Law Married F 53 1838 Tailoress
Isle of Wight

Ancestry trees are on Mundia here:

http://www.mundia.com/ca/

the tree you mention has no marraige or death for her, info only as far as the 1871 census
sorry

is this the marraige
the writing on the image is very poor


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Kate Elizabeth Taylor
Name: Kate Elizabeth Taylor
Spouse Name: Joab William Charles Smith
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 30 Jun 1879
Parish: Camberwell St George
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Edna John Taylor
Spouse Father Name: Joab Cobe Ive Walter Smith
Register Type: Parish Register

Choccy, Margee, & Maddie, Thank you very much for looking

Oh dear, that is odd, that was looking good, there was only three Kate Taylor born on the IOW between 1855 and 1865, Kate Elizabeth Newport mine, Kate Elizabeth 1861in Cowes & Kate Elizabeth 1863 in Ryde.
I will have to have another search
Thanks,
Ann
:-(

The marriage in 1879 Camberwell reads Joseph William Alistair Smith a Mariner.


Her father is John Jones Taylor.

Thank you for that Mel,
My Kate farther died 23 Feb 1870, so may be she didn't know his name!! It is a problem with such a common name as Taylor,
There were two Kate Elizabeth married in Cowes neither of them mine.

Thanks,
Ann E

I wonder if this is Kate's father? On the marriage in 1879 her father was John Jones Taylor DECEASED.

1871 England Census
about John Taylor
Name: John Taylor
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Portsea, Hampshire, England
Civil parish: Portsea
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Portsea Island
Sub-registration district: Kingston
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Household schedule number: 47
Piece: 1129
Folio: 100
Page Number: 10
Household Members: Name Age


John Taylor 43 Head of the house and a widower occupation Leading Stoker Royal Marines.



Emma Bradman 36
John Taylor 12
Lansa Steadman 10
Henry Steadman 8
Alice Steadman 3
Sarah Wayke 18
Lane Marten 23


This death would fit and I am now wondering if this John Jones was Elias John Taylor from the marriage cert. The writing is so bad and they have made a terrible mess of the whole thing by putting names etc in wrong places and crossing them out.

Have to get lunch now so will come back after.

Mel

Thanks for that Mel,

Kate E father died in Sheffield he was a army pensioner,
I have been looking for Kate marriage for years, the whole family are a big problem.
I have to go out now I will, let you know if I find out any thing more.

Ann E

Right looked again and I think it is John James Taylor as her father on that marriage.

Well I have looked at the 1911 for this family and I am convinced it is your Kate. She had 14 children 7 of whom died.

I tried it once and did'nt like it!!!! but 14..................................

Year of Marriage: 1847
Place: St Helen, St Helens Participants:
TAYLOR, James
RIDDETT, Ellen

Year of Marriage: 1860
Place: St John, Newport Participants:
TAYLOR, James
RIDDETT, Maria

(are these both him, from below link)


http://www.isle-of-wight-fhs.co.uk/bmd/startbmd.htm

Chris :)

1871
TAYLOR, Charlotte Head F 29 1842 Hampshire (Widow)
TAYLOR, Kate Daughter F 12 1859 Hampshire
TAYLOR, Samuel Son M 10 1861 Yorkshire
TAYLOR, Edward Son M 7 1864 Yorkshire
TAYLOR, John Son M 2 1869 Yorkshire
Piece: 1165
Folio: 95
Page: 11
Registration District: Isle of Wight
Civil Parish: Ryde
Municipal Borough: Ryde
Address: High Street, Ryde
County: Hampshire


1881
SMITH, Joseph W Head Married M 24 1857 Warehouse Man
Portsmouth, Hampshire
SMITH, Kate Wife Married F 21 1860
Isle of Wight, Hampshire
SMITH, Florence Daughter Single F 0 1881
Westmr
Piece: 114
Folio: 66
Page: 33
Registration District: St George Hanover Square
Civil Parish: St Margaret and St John the Evangelist Westminster
Municipal Borough:
Address: 12, Hide Place, St Margaret And St John The Evangelist Westminster
County: London, Middlesex

Is this correct???

Baptism for Charlotte

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N6LC-94F

married as Maria to James Tayler in 1860

remarried in 1871???

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NX64-8H1

Hi Mel & Chris,
All the info you have added is correct, this one, Year of Marriage: 1860
Place: St John, Newport Participants:TAYLOR, James RIDDETT, Maria
Thank you.
Mel thanks for confirming that you think we have the right Kate, every thing seems right.

I have been thinking about the 1891 census Joseph W & Kate with “DUNN, Elizabeth Mother In Law Married F 53 1838 Tailoress ” I wonder if this is Joseph mother???
As I found in free cen

1861 Piece: RG9/644 Place: Landport -Hampshire Portsea Folio: 36 Page: 25 Schedule: 143 Address: 38 Lucknow St, Somers Rd

SMITH Elizabeth M Head M F 25 Dress Maker Isle of Wight - Sandown
SMITH Joseph A W Son - M 4 Hampshire - Southsea

I couldn’t find her in the census index after this??

I did find a lot of marriages for Richard Dunn , this one has Smith?? I couldn’t find the marriage on Family search

Marriages Jun 1863
DUNN Richard Portsea **
GREENHALGH Thomas Portsea
JOHNSON Sarah Portsea
SMITH Elizabeth Miriam Portsea ***

If this is Right every thing looks good what do you think

DUNN, Richard Head Married M 47 1834 Labourer St Margarets, Middlesex
DUNN, Elizabeth Wife Married F 43 1838 Tailoress Isle of Wight, Hampshire
DUNN, Harry I Son Single M 14 1867 Curragh, Ireland
DUNN, Ellen E Daughter Single F 6 1875 Westminster, Middlesex

1881 Piece: 115 Folio: 95 Page: 35 Regi Dist St George Hanover Square Civil ParishSt Margaret and St John the Evangelist 7, Douglas St, St Margaret And St John The Evangelist Westminster London, Middlesex

Ann E

Ellen's marriage one of the witnessess is Joseph William Smith.


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921
about Ellen Elizabeth Mary Dunn
Name: Ellen Elizabeth Mary Dunn
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Age: 23
Spouse Name: John Finnerty
Spouse Age: 29
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 23 Jan 1898
Parish: Clerkenwell St Paul
Borough: Islington
Father Name: Richard Dunn
Spouse Father Name: John Finnerty
Register Type: Parish Register

From family search
Joseph Alexander Smith birth date:1833 age: 23 bride Elizabeth Ann Chiverton birth date: 1837 age: 19 marriage 28 Jul 1856 Saint Mary’s, Portsea, Hampshire,
[ I will have to see if there is a transcription with grooms trade on it. This bride is related to Kate Elizabeth Mother]
And
Joseph Alexander William Smith baptism 21 Dec 1856 Saint Mary’s, Portsea, Hampshire,
father Joseph Alexander Smith mother Elizabeth Ann

Please is it possible for some one to look up the 1901 census for Kate Smith & family,
I am trying to find the names of her 14 children.

Ann E
:-)

1901

RG number RG13
Piece: 417
Folio: 47
Page: 36
Reg. District: Lambeth
Sub District: Kennington First
Parish: Lambeth
Enum. District: 29
Ecclesiastical District: South Lambeth All Saints
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 21, Riverhall Street, Lambeth
County: London


SMITH, John W Head Married M 44 1857 Porter Royal Army Clothing Dept
Southsea, Hampshire
SMITH, Kate E Wife Married F 40 1861
Newport I of W, Hampshire
SMITH, Frances M Daughter Single F 19 1882 Tailoress Royal Army Clothing Dept
Westminster, London
SMITH, Jannie E Daughter Single F 18 1883 Tailoress Royal Army Clothing Dept
Westminster, London
SMITH, Annie E Daughter Single F 14 1887
Sth Lambeth, London
SMITH, Kate A Daughter Single F 12 1889
Sth Lambeth, London
SMITH, Mary H Daughter Single F 9 1892
Sth Lambeth, London
SMITH, John W Son Single M 1 1900
Sth Lambeth, London


ARTHUR, Emily Head Married F 30 1871
Victoria, London
WAYLAND, Helen Head Widow F 70 1831 Plain Needlework
Vauxhall, London


The last two (Emily Arthur and Helen Wayland) seem to have been mis-transcribed as being with the Smith family

1901
SMITH, John W Head Married M 44 1857 Porter Royal Army Clothing Dept
Southsea, Hampshire
SMITH, Kate E Wife Married F 40 1861
Newport I of W, Hampshire
SMITH, Frances M Daughter Single F 19 1882 Tailoress Royal Army Clothing Dept
Westminster, London
SMITH, Jannie E Daughter Single F 18 1883 Tailoress Royal Army Clothing Dept
Westminster, London
SMITH, Annie E Daughter Single F 14 1887
Sth Lambeth, London
SMITH, Kate A Daughter Single F 12 1889
Sth Lambeth, London
SMITH, Mary H Daughter Single F 9 1892
Sth Lambeth, London
SMITH, John W Son Single M 1 1900
Sth Lambeth, London
Piece: 417
Folio: 47
Page: 36
Registration District: Lambeth
Civil Parish: Lambeth
Municipal Borough:
Address: 21, Riverhall Street, Lambeth
County: London

1911
SMITH, Joseph William Head Married M 54 1857 Labourer General South Sea Portsmouth
SMITH, Kate Elizabeth Wife Married31 years F 51 1860 Newport S W
SMITH, John William Son Single M 11 1900 School South Lambeth
SMITH, Rhoda Emma Daughter Single F 4 1907 South Lambeth
WHALAN, Helen Boarder Widow F 81 1830 South Lambeth
BANTOCK, Fredrick Gilbert Son In Law Married M 31 1880 Machine Minder City of London
BANTOCK, Frances Mary Daughter Married4 years F 29 1882 Westminster
BANTOCK, Fredrick Ronlad Grandson Single M 3 1908 South Lambeth
RG number: RG14
Piece: 2013
Reference: RG14PN2013 RG78PN71 RD25 SD3 ED7 SN96
Registration District: Lambeth
Sub District: Stockwell
Enumeration District: 7
Parish: Lambeth
Address: 33 Riverhall St S Lambeth SW
County: London

Chris :)