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1851 census Henry Bradford Appleby - amended

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 5 Sep 2024 20:09

Looks like his mother was Harriet, not Eleanor :

Ann Appleby
in the 1891 England Census
Name Ann Appleby
Gender Female
Age 78
Relationship Mother
Birth Year 1813
Child
Harriet Mazhall
Birth Place Kirkby Fleetham, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish Darlington
Residence Place Darlington, Darlington, Durham, England
Registration district Darlington
Sub registration district Darlington
ED, Institution or Vessel 3
Neighbors
Piece 4040
Folio 56
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Harriet Mazhall 42 Head - Bishop Auckland, widow
Arthur Marshall 18 Son - Darlington, joiner
Ann Appleby 78 Mother


"Harriet" was Henrietta:

Henrietta Appleby
in the 1861 England Census
Name Henrietta Appleby
Gender Female
Age 13
Relation Daughter
Estimated Birth Year 1848
Mother's Name Ann Appleby
Where born Bishop Auckland, Durham, England
Civil parish Darlington St John
Town Darlington
County/Island Durham
Country England
Registration district Darlington
Sub-registration district Darlington
ED, institution, or vessel 3i
Neighbors
Household schedule number 194
Piece 3679
Folio 93
Page number 37
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Ann Appleby 46 Head
Elizabeth Appleby 17 Daughter
Clara D Appleby 15 Daughter
Henrietta Appleby 13 Daughter


Henrietta Appleby Marshall
in the England & Wales, Civil Registration Death Index, 1837-1915
Name Henrietta Appleby Marshall
Age 47
Estimated Birth Year abt 1847
Registration Quarter Oct-Nov-Dec
Death Registration Place Darlington, Durham, United Kingdom
Death Date Dec 1894
Inferred Death Place Durham, United Kingdom
Volume 10a
Page 16

Apparently never married.

Marian

Marian Report 5 Sep 2024 20:33

Argyll, brilliant, mystery solved. On FS for 1891 it only has Ann, no one else but then I noticed it said relationship to head of household "mother" (I find this quite a lot on FS which is quite frustrating, I wonder if maybe it's because it goes over onto the other page). So much for Arthur Marcer, yet another enumerator not listening properly. Thank you again :-)

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 5 Sep 2024 20:56

????
On Ancestry ... No image available

Arthur Marcel Appleby
in the England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975

Detail Source
Name Arthur Marcel Appleby
Gender Male
Birth Date 9 Jun 1872
Baptism Date 25 Sep 1878
Baptism Place St. John, Darlington, Durham, England
Father
George Appleby
Mother
Henrietta Appleby
FHL Film Number 1514595
Reference ID item 3 p 257

Marian

Marian Report 5 Sep 2024 21:20

Ooh Gwyn thank you, the plot thickens.

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 6 Sep 2024 09:32

It would be good to view the actual image to see what it said about George ;-)

Did you note that Arthur was not a young infant?

Looking online, it seems that St. John's Church closed last year..............

'In December 2022, it was announced the church was to close due to declining congregation numbers and rising running costs, a final service was held on 5 February 2023.'

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 6 Sep 2024 09:35

I suspect Henrietta invented the father's name to hide the fact that she wasn't married .

The father would not have had to be present at the baptism.
There is no father named on Arthur's birth cert.

Gwyn in Kent

Gwyn in Kent Report 6 Sep 2024 09:44

I think you are probably right ArgyllGran, but I have viewed baptisms on microfilm, where the vicar has made a point of naming all the errant fathers for the illegitimate children of his parish.
By that time, the standardised PR forms should show an occupation for George, so you never know what you might find.

Whether it's the truth is another matter ;-)

Legally the father could not be named on the birth certificate, if he wasn't around, but I don't think there was a problem with the vicar recording him at the baptism.

Marian

Marian Report 6 Sep 2024 11:00

Morning both, thank you for the above. I also think Harriet/Henrietta was not married as I couldn't find any Appleby to Appleby marriages and the vicar was probably none the wiser as to her marital status. Older baptisms seem to run in the family, Henrietta and her four sisters were all baptised on 10 July 1853 at Shildon, Co Durham, although one of them was also baptised at Bedale. Thank you again.