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yes have looked at that possiblity because nora the last child shown was born the same year as annie so could have been her
Jackie :-)

Perhaps Annie was the name she was known by & she was actually called something else, such as Mary Anne.
My gran´s sister was baptised Ann Maria, but was always known as Annie, even on official documents.

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thank you for that but if the death in 1885 is right mary would have only been 33 and not 40 as it states don't think i am going to get to the bottom of this as no-one can seem to find Annie
jackie :-|

Think that this is John & mary but the name has been spelled differently.......


1881 England Census about John Killkine
Name: John Killkine
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Lodger
Spouse's Name: Mary Killkine
Gender: Male
Where born: Mayo, Ireland

Civil parish: Wolverhampton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: Littles Lane No 46
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Gen Lab

Registration district: Wolverhampton
Sub-registration district: Wolverhampton Eastern
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 2801
Folio: 126
Page Number: 27
Household Members:
Name Age
Patrick Maon 49
Bridget Maon 49
>>>>>>>>>>>>>John Killkine 38
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Mary Killkine 29

yet it says on the marriage cert that annie was living there in 1902, also doesn't say that john was retired on cert yet it does on he census. if the death for mary is correct annie would have been less than a year old so they could have given her up to someone else a relative perhaps but can-not find any mention of her.

There is a Bristol Street in Bilston, no Kilcoynes living in it at all in 1901, but families frequently moved back then.

Hi Stuart thank you for the info sorry took so long getting back somethink hapened to laptop ok now, still no annie wonder where she was? she had a daughter mary so would think named after her mother perhaps annie was a servant somewhere, also doesn't say if bristol st was in bilston.
thanks again
Jackie

Right age and place to be the death of John's wife??
Civil Registration event: Death

Name: KILCOYNE, Mary
Registration district: Wolverhampton
County: Staffordshire
Year of registration: 1885
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at death: 40
Volume no: 6B
Page no: 312

This is the same John in 1901, now born Bilston, not Ireland and his daughter Sarah born Bilston not Stourbridge, Worcestershire. 1901 census transcription details for: 30, Back Lester Street, Bilston


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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 2689
Folio: 101
Page: 22
Reg. District: Wolverhampton
Sub District: Bilston
Parish: Bilston
Enum. District: 6
Ecclesiastical District: St Mary the Virgin
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 30, Back Lester Street, Bilston
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
CHRISTOPHER, Charles Head Married M 35 1866 BrickmakerIreland Mayo
CHRISTOPHER, Sarah A Wife Married F 35 1866 Bilston, Staffordshire
CHRISTOPHER, Mary T Daughter Single F 10 1891 Bilston, Staffordshire
CHRISTOPHER, Sarah A Daughter Single F 8 1893 Bilston, Staffordshire
CHRISTOPHER, John T Son Single M 7 1894 Bilston, Staffordshire
CHRISTOPHER, Michael Son Single M 5 1896 Bilston, Staffordshire
CHRISTOPHER, Maria Daughter Single F 2 1899 Bilston, Staffordshire
KILCOYNE, John Father-In-Law Widower M 60 1841 Retired Brickmaker Bilston, Staffordshire

John Kilcoyne and family in 1891
1891 census transcription details for: 1 Court 9, Temple Street, Bilston

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 2242
Folio: 119
Page: 13
Reg. District: Wolverhampton
Sub District: Bilston
Parish: Bilston
Enum. District: 9
Ecclesiastical District: St Marys
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 1 Court 9, Temple Street, Bilston
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
KILCOYNE, John Head Widower M 48 1843 Iron Worker Ireland
KILCOYNE, Sarah A Daughter In Law Married F 24 1867 Stourbridge, Worcestershire
KILCOYNE, Maria Daughter Single F 20 1871 Labourer On Breeze Bank Worcestershire
KILCOYNE, Mary Daughter Single F 18 1873 Worcestershire
KILCOYNE, John Son M 15 1876 Iron Worker Worcestershire
KILCOYNE, Ellen Daughter F 13 1878 Worcestershire
KILCOYNE, Norah Daughter F 7 1884 Scholar Worcestershire
CHRISTOPHER, Charles Son In Law Married M 25 1866 Iron Worker Ireland
CHRISTOPHER, Mary Granddaughter Single F 0 (2M) 1891 Bilston, Staffordshire

Am having difficulty matching Kilcoyne names and supposed places of births to GRO births

A tenuous link?? The witness Minnie Johnson, about same age as Annie and the address is Temple Street where a Kilcoyne family were living in 1891, with father John an iron Worker (Puddler?)
1901 census transcription details for: 103, Temple Street, Bilston

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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 2689
Folio: 115
Page: 18
Reg. District: Wolverhampton
Sub District: Bilston
Parish: Bilston
Enum. District: 7
Ecclesiastical District: St Mary's the Virgin
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: 103, Temple Street, Bilston
County: Staffordshire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
JOHNSON, William Head Married M 48 1853 Coal Miner Hewer Bilston, Staffordshire
JOHNSON, Sarah J Wife Married F 43 1858 Bilston, Staffordshire
JOHNSON, Charles H Son Single M 19 1882 Coal Miner Loader Bilston, Staffordshire
JOHNSON, Minnie Daughter Single F 15 1886 Japanner's Rougher Derby, Derbyshire
JOHNSON, Edwin G Son Single M 9 1892 Darlaston, Staffordshire
JOHNSON, Sarah J Daughter Single F 7 1894 Darlaston, Staffordshire
JOHNSON, Caroline Daughter Single F 13 1888 Darlaston, Staffordshire
JOHNSON, James W Son Single M 4 1897 Bilston, Staffordshire

yes it was her age witnesses were allbert thomas and minnie johnson

Is '18' her age? (just making sure)

Who were the witnesses?

Hi everyone now got marriage cert details,
married in 1902 st lukes church bilston staffordshire,
richard price 21 shakespear buildings father william price




annie killcoyne 18 bristol st father john killcoyne puddler
i've looked for her but still can-not find her hope someone can help
thank you jackie

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thank you so much, I looked on the irish census but couldn't find her. your right i will have to get the cert.

kind regards Jackie

Hi Jackie.

You're welcome. I found it on FreeBMD. Did you not know about this child? I have continued to try to find Annie K in England using surname variants but no luck so far. It may be of course that she believed that she was born in Bilston but it actually wasn't true. It could be that Richard just put down the same area for quickness. Or maybe Annie had left something behind somewhere and didn't want to be traced, or lied about her name or her age. So it's really best to go for the marriage cert and hope for better details.

When you've got the marriage cert, post the details and we will all try and help again.

Jill

Added: I've looked and looked and can't find her. I'd be surprised if she wasn't born in Ireland

thank you for looking where did you find that ?
sorry about not answering earlier
Jackie