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ArgyllGran
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31 Jul 2014 11:14 |
Re John McFarlane:
Bradhurst Avenue is in Manhattan (per Google). 146 is at the intersection of Bradhurst Avenue and West 150th Street.
There are several John McFarlanes, born in Scotland, living in Manhattan in 1915 - 1940.
I don't see any actually on Bradhurst Avenue.
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31 Jul 2014 10:08 |
Duncan's death certificate will tell you if he was married.
While I would agree with ArgyllGran it looks that he may have been unmarried, remember that people didn't always marry in the area they lived. I found a marriage in the 1890s for an ancestor who lived in Falkirk same as his future wife but they married in Glasgow.
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31 Jul 2014 10:03 |
It doesn't look as if Duncan married (born 1882, not 1885). There are 4 Duncan Mcdermid (or variation) marriages in Lanarkshire 1900-1910, but two have middle names, so we can discount them. And none of them is in Old Monkland. They're all in Glasgow city.
(What's a visa welcome code?)
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31 Jul 2014 08:37 |
What amazing detective work you did while I was at work yesterday evening How come USA + New Zealand publish census for 1930 + 1940 ??
I'll try and summarize findings so far And start looking for the cousins who may still be alive on members trees.may even try KELLEY/KEELY on facebook
When i tried to buy credits on scottish people I was blocked by a visa welcome code but I dont really need to know how Duncan macdermid (b 1885 )died in 1910 just if he had a wife + children .
I would like to know how the John Mcfarlane of 146 Broadhurst/Bradhusrt st. New York is connected to the family could you possibly find him on 1920 or 1930 census with an age + names of other family members . He could be a brother,nephew,great-nephew of their grandmother Agnes b.c1830
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30 Jul 2014 21:04 |
New Zealand ERs
Name: Jeanie Kyle Black, Housewife Electoral Year: 1928 District: Buller Region or Province: West Coast Address: 88 Plateau, Denniston
With James Duff Black, Surface Worker
1935 -as above
1938- as above
1946 - as above
Also 1946
Name: Jean Kyle Macdermid Black, spinster Electoral Year: 1946 District: Buller Region or Province: West Coast
Name: Jean Kyle Black Electoral Year: 1949 District: Buller Region or Province: West Coast
Name: Jean Kyle Black Electoral Year: 1954 District: Buller Region or Province: West Coast With James.
Name: Jean Kyle Black Electoral Year: 1957 District: Ashburton Region or Province: Canterbury Address: 44 Andrew Street With James Duff Black, mill hand
This looks like the Daughter
Name: Jean Kyle Dwyer Electoral Year: 1949 District: Ashburton Region or Province: Canterbury Address: 104 Aitken Street
With Maurice Patrick Dwyer, Carrier
Name: Jean Kyle Dwyer Electoral Year: 1969 District: Ashburton Region or Province: Canterbury Address 86 Creek Road with Maurice
Name: Jean Kyle Dwyer Electoral Year: 1981 District: Ashburton Region or Province: Canterbury Address: 108 Creek Road with Maurice, pensioner and Kevin John Dwyer , Metal Worker
Be aware though there are these other Jean Kyles in the same area so the Dwyer lady may not be yours.
Name: Jean Kyle Kent Electoral Year: 1954 District: Riccarton Region or Province: Canterbury
Name: Jean Kyle Long Electoral Year: 1969 District: Otago Central Region or Province: Otago
Name: Jean Kyle Seeler Electoral Year: 1978 District: Timaru Region or Province: Canterbury
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30 Jul 2014 18:25 |
Agnes & James Robertson, and son, travelled out to US with Chrissie and brother James.
Boston, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1954 about Agnes Robertson Name: Agnes Robertson Gender: Female Ethnic Background: Scottish (Scotish) Estimated birth year: abt 1891 Birth Place: Glasgow, Scotland Age: 32 Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland Ship Name: Samaria Arrival Date: 1 Nov 1923 Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts Friend's Name: John McFarlane <<<<<<<<<<< Last Residence: Scotland
Travelling with husband James Robertson, 31, engineer, and son James, 3. Last address Cambuslang. James's NOK (seems to have been applied to the whole family) - Mrs E Robertson, 7 Douglas Avenue, Carmyle. Heading to friend John McFarlane, 416 Broadhurst Avenue, NY. James (husband): 5' 11", fair complexion, brown hair, grey eyes. Agnes: fair complexion, brown hair, brown eyes. James jr: fair complexion, brown hair, brown eyes.
???? 1930 United States Federal Census about Agnes Robertson Name: Agnes Robertson Gender: Female Birth Year: abt 1889 Birthplace: Scotland Race: White Home in 1930: Dumont, Bergen, New Jersey Map of Home: View Map Marital Status: Married Immigration Year: 1923 Relation to Head of House: Wife Spouse's Name: James Robertson Father's Birthplace: Scotland Mother's Birthplace: Scotland Household Members: Name Age James Robertson 38 Agnes Robertson 41 James Robertson 10
1940 United States Federal Census about James Robertson Name: James Robertson Age: 48 Estimated birth year: abt 1892 Gender: Male Race: White Birthplace: Scotland Marital Status: Widowed <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Relation to Head of House: Head Home in 1940: Dumont, Bergen, New Jersey Map of Home in 1940: View Map Street: Davies Avenue House Number: 145 Farm: No Inferred Residence in 1935: Dumont, Bergen, New Jersey Residence in 1935: Same House Resident on farm in 1935: No Citizenship: Having first papers Sheet Number: 6B Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 141 Occupation: Tool Die Engineer House Owned or Rented: Owned Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented: 5200 Attended School or College: No Highest Grade Completed: College, 1st year Hours Worked Week Prior to Census: 40 Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker in private work Weeks Worked in 1939: 52 Income: 2000 Income Other Sources: No Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age James Robertson 48 James Robertson 20
I don't see her death record.
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30 Jul 2014 17:41 |
This is the only Christina, without a middle name, who arrived in the US in 1923, that I can see in the US Census. I can't see a marriage record.
1930 United States Federal Census about Christina Kelley Name: Christina Kelley Gender: Female Birth Year: abt 1908 Birthplace: Scotland Race: White Home in 1930: Union City, Hudson, New Jersey Map of Home: View Map Marital Status: Married Immigration Year: 1923 Relation to Head of House: Wife Spouse's Name: John H Kelley Father's Birthplace: Scotland Mother's Birthplace: Scotland Household Members: Name Age John H Kelley 24 - born Scotland, arrived 1925 Christina Kelley 22 Mailyn Kelley 0 [11/12] - born New Jersey
1940 United States Federal Census about Christina Kelly Name: Christina Kelly Respondent: Yes Age: 33 Estimated birth year: abt 1907 Gender: Female Race: White Birthplace: Scotland Marital Status: Married Relation to Head of House: Wife Home in 1940: Hoboken, Hudson, New Jersey Map of Home in 1940: View Map Inferred Residence in 1935: Hoboken, Hudson, New Jersey Residence in 1935: Same House Citizenship: Alien Sheet Number: 8B Attended School or College: No Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 8th grade Weeks Worked in 1939: 0 Income: 0 Income Other Sources: No Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Kelly 35 Christina Kelly 33 Marilyn Kelly 10 John Kelly 8
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U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014 about Christina Kelly Name: Christina Kelly SSN: 137-36-4025 Last Residence: 07731 Howell, Monmouth, New Jersey, USA BORN: 9 Jun 1907 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Died: 18 Jul 1992 State (Year) SSN issued: New Jersey (1961-1962)
EDIT: Yes, this is the right Christina - I've had a look at your Chrissie's birth cert, Brigid / Alisoun, and she was born 9th June 1907.
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30 Jul 2014 17:00 |
You say, " . . .need to know which to look up the 1910 0r 1924 examples . ."
As far as I can see, the only 1924 record quoted on this thread for a Duncan was the birth of a possible son of Andrew - not a death.
Duncan, son of Malcolm, and brother of Andrew, Chrissie, James, John, etc, died 1910.
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30 Jul 2014 16:53 |
If you buy credits on ScotlandsPeople you can view the image (and save and/or print it) of the original death record for young Duncan in 1910, which was posted earlier in this thread.
It will give you the cause of his death.
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30 Jul 2014 14:24 |
I suspect that it was James who paid for John's passage to America the clothlapper+bootmaker's salaries in Cambuslang probably wouldn't cover it and I don't suppose my grandad's navy wages would stretch to that . Haven't found Jean Rose 1929 or james kyle Macdermid on members trees .
Mysteries which remain did Duncan ,malcolm +andrew have children before they died presumably in the Carmyle disrict where did Jeannie have mr Black's children in New Zealand . I wonder if the umbrella-making Chrissie got married in USA before John arrived in 1929. The deaths are quite interesting with many Macdermids living til their 70's or 80's+surviving wars , and no deaths of children coming up yet. Malcolm MacDermid 's untimely death in aged 48 in 1910 was due to falling off a roof ..I don't suppose it made the newspapers. I don't know how his eldest son Duncan died in his 20's. ;
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30 Jul 2014 12:32 |
grandad was a tall man..at the heightof his fitness he competed in featherweight boxingwhen onshore ;his lieutenant ordered extra rations to build him up to next weight category but he got thinner ! it's been interesting sharing all my sisters documents, photos + trees going back to Stevensons in 1721,mckay's in 1819 now i need to transfer the info on here but must do some other chores first .
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30 Jul 2014 12:22 |
grandad also had blue eyes ;
Extra details ; Alison has a lovely water colour of "The macDermid cottages,carmyle" by J.Brown C1900 grandad was born ..in".smallest house on banks of the Clyde which regularly flooded it ,our gandma visited this house when jeannie was still alive .and his mother still lived there".it was demolished in 1928
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30 Jul 2014 12:17 |
A possibility, but don't know if this is the right person. There's no further detail given:
U.S. Naturalization Records Indexes, 1794-1995 about John Macdermid Name: John Macdermid Age: 28 Birth Date: abt 1911 Issue Date: 16 May 1939 State: New York Locality, Court: Eastern District of New York, District Court
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30 Jul 2014 11:59 |
On the next page of John Macdermid's 1929 record of travel to USA, posted earlier by rootgatherer,.it says his nearest relative in UK is his brother Andrew Macdermid, 30 Deans Avenue, Cambuslang - and on a different record of the same voyage it says that was John's last address.
He was heading to his brother James Macdermid, 3017 Church Avenue, Brooklyn, NY; his brother (don't know which one) paid his passage; he was going to the US permanently; 5' 9" tall; fresh complexion, brown hair, blue eyes; he was an engineer.
Interesting if unimportant - he had blue eyes, but Chrissie and James had brown or black eyes.
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30 Jul 2014 11:44 |
from family memory Duncan macdermid b1885 was married ..and had 2 children annie /agnes +J.Robertson had 2 children in USA jeannie + J. black had 3 children in new zealand . john emigrated to USA , i wonder who he was living with aged13 from 1923-1929 \my grandfather Tommy's ship records show him starting as a boy 1st class in 1920 on the HMS Vivid and notes say he joned navy after his parents died .
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30 Jul 2014 10:22 |
Sorry should have said that further down the page with Isabella's emigration there is a Nellie Ross, possibly her sister Helen?
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30 Jul 2014 10:19 |
1915
Name: Sarah Ross Birth Year: abt 1907 Birth Place: Scotland Age: 8 Gender: Female Residence Place: New York, Kings Relationship: Daughter Colour or Race: White Number of Years in US: 2 Assembly District: 11 House Number: 230 Line Number: 6 Page Number: 20 Household Members: Name Age Hugh Ross 50 Sarah Ross 50 Helen Ross 21 John Ross 18 Robert Ross 13 Sarah Ross 8 David Ross 6
1925
Name: Sarah Ross Birth Date: abt 1907 Birth Place: Scotland Age: 18 Gender: Female Residence Place: Brooklyn, Kings Relationship: Daughter Colour or Race: White Number of Years in US: 13 Assembly District: 15 House Number: 735 Line Number: 23 Page Number: 37 Household Members: Name Age Hugh Ross 60, Sarah Ross 60 Robert Ross 23 Sarah Ross 18 David Ross 16 John Hugh Dye 05 Grandson b. U.S
Hugh was 15 years in the states, wife and children 13.
1891
Name: Hugh Ross Age: 26 Estimated birth year: abt 1865 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Sarah W Ross Gender: Male Where born: St Nicols, Aberdeensh Registration Number: 673/2 Registration district: Fauldhouse Civil Parish: Whitburn County: West Lothian Address: Port Office Row Occupation: Railway Signalman ED: 3 Household schedule number: 147 LINE: 11 Roll: CSSCT1891_328 Household Members: Name Age Hugh Ross 26 Sarah W Ross 25 Isabella Ross 4 Hugh Ross 2
1901
Name: Isabella Ross Age: 14 Estimated birth year: abt 1887 Relationship: Daur (Daughter) Father's Name: Hugh B Ross Mother's name: Sarah Ross Gender: Female Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire Registration Number: 644/8 Registration district: Milton Civil Parish: Glasgow St George in the Fields County: Lanarkshire Address: 509 St Georges Rd Occupation: Menage Girl ED: 29 Household schedule number: 39 LINE: 6 Roll: CSSCT1901_295 Household Members: Name Age Hugh B Ross 34 Sarah Ross 34 Isabella Ross 14 Hugh Ross 11 William Ross 9 Helen Ross 6 John S Ross 3
Name: Isabella Livingston Gender: Female Age: 26 Birth Date: abt 1887 Departure Date: 3 May 1913 Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland Destination Port: New York, USA Ship Name: Caledonia Search Ship Database: Search the 'Caledonia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping line: Anchor Line Official Number: 121218 Master: H H Wadsworth
Travelling with sons Charles and Hugh
1920
Name: Isabella Livingston Age: 32 Birth Year: abt 1888 Birthplace: Scotland Home in 1920: Brooklyn Assembly District 15, Kings, New York Race: White Gender: Female Immigration Year: 1913 Relation to Head of House: Wife Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Charles Livingston Father's Birthplace: Scotland Mother's Birthplace: Scotland Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Charles Livingston 38 Isabella Livingston 32 Charles Livingston 12 Hugh Livingston 8 James Livingston 1 [1 11/12]
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30 Jul 2014 10:17 |
sorry don't have Christinact birth ..just off to alisoun's to check family scroll ..i believe we are connected to Ross family elsewhere too ,
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30 Jul 2014 10:02 |
This may be Sarah. Going with her mother, Sarah aged 46 and brothers Robert and David going to her sister Isabella Livingston in Brooklyn.
Name: Sarah Ross Arrival Date: 19 Aug 1912 Birth Date: abt 1907 Birth Location: Scotland Birth Location Other: Glasgow, Scotland Age: 5 Gender: Female Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scottish (Scotish) Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland Port of Arrival: New York, New York Ship Name: Caledonia Search Ship Database: Search the Caledonia in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
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30 Jul 2014 09:38 |
There was no image for the Christina data, sorry. Do you know her exact dAte of birth please?
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