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MACDERMIDS on Scottish censuses

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ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 Jul 2014 11:14

Re John McFarlane:

Bradhurst Avenue is in Manhattan (per Google). 146 is at the intersection of Bradhurst Avenue and West 150th Street.

There are several John McFarlanes, born in Scotland, living in Manhattan in 1915 - 1940.

I don't see any actually on Bradhurst Avenue.

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 31 Jul 2014 10:08

Duncan's death certificate will tell you if he was married.

While I would agree with ArgyllGran it looks that he may have been unmarried, remember that people didn't always marry in the area they lived. I found a marriage in the 1890s for an ancestor who lived in Falkirk same as his future wife but they married in Glasgow.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 31 Jul 2014 10:03

It doesn't look as if Duncan married (born 1882, not 1885).
There are 4 Duncan Mcdermid (or variation) marriages in Lanarkshire 1900-1910, but two have middle names, so we can discount them. And none of them is in Old Monkland. They're all in Glasgow city.


(What's a visa welcome code?)

brigid

brigid Report 31 Jul 2014 08:37

What amazing detective work you did while I was at work yesterday evening
How come USA + New Zealand publish census for 1930 + 1940 ??

I'll try and summarize findings so far
And start looking for the cousins who may still be alive on members trees.may even try KELLEY/KEELY on facebook

When i tried to buy credits on scottish people I was blocked by a visa welcome code but I dont really need to know how Duncan macdermid (b 1885 )died in 1910 just if he had a wife + children .

I would like to know how the John Mcfarlane of 146 Broadhurst/Bradhusrt st. New York is connected to the family
could you possibly find him on 1920 or 1930 census with an age + names of other family members . He could be a brother,nephew,great-nephew of their grandmother Agnes b.c1830

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 30 Jul 2014 21:04

New Zealand ERs

Name: Jeanie Kyle Black, Housewife
Electoral Year: 1928
District: Buller
Region or Province: West Coast
Address: 88 Plateau, Denniston

With James Duff Black, Surface Worker


1935 -as above


1938- as above


1946 - as above



Also 1946


Name: Jean Kyle Macdermid Black, spinster
Electoral Year: 1946
District: Buller
Region or Province: West Coast



Name: Jean Kyle Black
Electoral Year: 1949
District: Buller
Region or Province: West Coast


Name: Jean Kyle Black
Electoral Year: 1954
District: Buller
Region or Province: West Coast
With James.


Name: Jean Kyle Black
Electoral Year: 1957
District: Ashburton
Region or Province: Canterbury
Address: 44 Andrew Street
With James Duff Black, mill hand


This looks like the Daughter


Name: Jean Kyle Dwyer
Electoral Year: 1949
District: Ashburton
Region or Province: Canterbury
Address: 104 Aitken Street

With Maurice Patrick Dwyer, Carrier


Name: Jean Kyle Dwyer
Electoral Year: 1969
District: Ashburton
Region or Province: Canterbury
Address 86 Creek Road with Maurice


Name: Jean Kyle Dwyer
Electoral Year: 1981
District: Ashburton
Region or Province: Canterbury
Address: 108 Creek Road with Maurice, pensioner and Kevin John Dwyer , Metal Worker


Be aware though there are these other Jean Kyles in the same area so the Dwyer lady may not be yours.

Name: Jean Kyle Kent
Electoral Year: 1954
District: Riccarton
Region or Province: Canterbury


Name: Jean Kyle Long
Electoral Year: 1969
District: Otago Central
Region or Province: Otago


Name: Jean Kyle Seeler
Electoral Year: 1978
District: Timaru
Region or Province: Canterbury

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Jul 2014 18:25

Agnes & James Robertson, and son, travelled out to US with Chrissie and brother James.


Boston, Passenger and Crew Lists, 1820-1954 about Agnes Robertson
Name: Agnes Robertson
Gender: Female
Ethnic Background: Scottish (Scotish)
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Birth Place: Glasgow, Scotland
Age: 32
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Ship Name: Samaria
Arrival Date: 1 Nov 1923
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Friend's Name: John McFarlane <<<<<<<<<<<
Last Residence: Scotland

Travelling with husband James Robertson, 31, engineer, and son James, 3.
Last address Cambuslang.
James's NOK (seems to have been applied to the whole family) - Mrs E Robertson, 7 Douglas Avenue, Carmyle.
Heading to friend John McFarlane, 416 Broadhurst Avenue, NY.
James (husband): 5' 11", fair complexion, brown hair, grey eyes.
Agnes: fair complexion, brown hair, brown eyes.
James jr: fair complexion, brown hair, brown eyes.



????
1930 United States Federal Census about Agnes Robertson
Name: Agnes Robertson
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1889
Birthplace: Scotland
Race: White
Home in 1930: Dumont, Bergen, New Jersey
Map of Home: View Map
Marital Status: Married
Immigration Year: 1923
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: James Robertson
Father's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother's Birthplace: Scotland
Household Members:
Name Age
James Robertson 38
Agnes Robertson 41
James Robertson 10



1940 United States Federal Census about James Robertson
Name: James Robertson
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1892
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: Scotland
Marital Status: Widowed <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1940: Dumont, Bergen, New Jersey
Map of Home in 1940: View Map
Street: Davies Avenue
House Number: 145
Farm: No
Inferred Residence in 1935: Dumont, Bergen, New Jersey
Residence in 1935: Same House
Resident on farm in 1935: No
Citizenship: Having first papers
Sheet Number: 6B
Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 141
Occupation: Tool Die Engineer
House Owned or Rented: Owned
Value of Home or Monthly Rental if Rented: 5200
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: College, 1st year
Hours Worked Week Prior to Census: 40
Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker in private work
Weeks Worked in 1939: 52
Income: 2000
Income Other Sources: No
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James Robertson 48
James Robertson 20

I don't see her death record.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Jul 2014 17:41

This is the only Christina, without a middle name, who arrived in the US in 1923, that I can see in the US Census. I can't see a marriage record.

1930 United States Federal Census about Christina Kelley
Name: Christina Kelley
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1908
Birthplace: Scotland
Race: White
Home in 1930: Union City, Hudson, New Jersey
Map of Home: View Map
Marital Status: Married
Immigration Year: 1923
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: John H Kelley
Father's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother's Birthplace: Scotland
Household Members:
Name Age
John H Kelley 24 - born Scotland, arrived 1925
Christina Kelley 22
Mailyn Kelley 0
[11/12] - born New Jersey



1940 United States Federal Census about Christina Kelly
Name: Christina Kelly
Respondent: Yes
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1907
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birthplace: Scotland
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Home in 1940: Hoboken, Hudson, New Jersey
Map of Home in 1940: View Map
Inferred Residence in 1935: Hoboken, Hudson, New Jersey
Residence in 1935: Same House
Citizenship: Alien
Sheet Number: 8B
Attended School or College: No
Highest Grade Completed: Elementary school, 8th grade
Weeks Worked in 1939: 0
Income: 0
Income Other Sources: No
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Kelly 35
Christina Kelly 33
Marilyn Kelly 10
John Kelly 8


????


U.S., Social Security Death Index, 1935-2014 about Christina Kelly
Name: Christina Kelly
SSN: 137-36-4025
Last Residence: 07731 Howell, Monmouth, New Jersey, USA
BORN: 9 Jun 1907 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Died: 18 Jul 1992
State (Year) SSN issued: New Jersey (1961-1962)


EDIT:
Yes, this is the right Christina - I've had a look at your Chrissie's birth cert, Brigid / Alisoun, and she was born 9th June 1907.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Jul 2014 17:00

You say, " . . .need to know which to look up the 1910 0r 1924 examples . ."

As far as I can see, the only 1924 record quoted on this thread for a Duncan
was the birth of a possible son of Andrew - not a death.

Duncan, son of Malcolm, and brother of Andrew, Chrissie, James, John, etc, died 1910.

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Jul 2014 16:53

If you buy credits on ScotlandsPeople you can view the image (and save and/or print it) of the original death record for young Duncan in 1910, which was posted earlier in this thread.

It will give you the cause of his death.

brigid

brigid Report 30 Jul 2014 14:24

I suspect that it was James who paid for John's passage to America the clothlapper+bootmaker's salaries in Cambuslang probably wouldn't cover it and I don't suppose my grandad's navy wages would stretch to that .
Haven't found Jean Rose 1929 or james kyle Macdermid on members trees .

Mysteries which remain did Duncan ,malcolm +andrew have children before they died presumably in the Carmyle disrict
where did Jeannie have mr Black's children in New Zealand .
I wonder if the umbrella-making Chrissie got married in USA before John arrived in 1929.
The deaths are quite interesting with many Macdermids living til their 70's or 80's+surviving wars , and no deaths of children coming up yet.
Malcolm MacDermid 's untimely death in aged 48 in 1910 was due to falling off a roof ..I don't suppose it made the newspapers.
I don't know how his eldest son Duncan died in his 20's. ;

brigid

brigid Report 30 Jul 2014 12:32

grandad was a tall man..at the heightof his fitness he competed in featherweight boxingwhen onshore ;his lieutenant ordered extra rations to build him up to next weight category but he got thinner !
it's been interesting sharing all my sisters documents, photos + trees going back to Stevensons in 1721,mckay's in 1819 now i need to transfer the info on here but must do some other chores first .

brigid

brigid Report 30 Jul 2014 12:22

grandad also had blue eyes ;

Extra details ; Alison has a lovely water colour of "The macDermid cottages,carmyle" by J.Brown C1900 grandad was born ..in".smallest house on banks of the Clyde which regularly flooded it ,our gandma visited this house when jeannie was still alive .and his mother still lived there".it was demolished in 1928

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Jul 2014 12:17

A possibility, but don't know if this is the right person. There's no further detail given:


U.S. Naturalization Records Indexes, 1794-1995 about John Macdermid
Name: John Macdermid
Age: 28
Birth Date: abt 1911
Issue Date: 16 May 1939
State: New York
Locality, Court: Eastern District of New York, District Court

ArgyllGran

ArgyllGran Report 30 Jul 2014 11:59

On the next page of John Macdermid's 1929 record of travel to USA, posted earlier by rootgatherer,.it says his nearest relative in UK is his brother Andrew Macdermid, 30 Deans Avenue, Cambuslang - and on a different record of the same voyage it says that was John's last address.

He was heading to his brother James Macdermid, 3017 Church Avenue, Brooklyn, NY; his brother (don't know which one) paid his passage; he was going to the US permanently; 5' 9" tall; fresh complexion, brown hair, blue eyes; he was an engineer.

Interesting if unimportant - he had blue eyes, but Chrissie and James had brown or black eyes.

Alisoun

Alisoun Report 30 Jul 2014 11:44


from family memory Duncan macdermid b1885 was married ..and had 2 children annie /agnes +J.Robertson had 2 children in USA
jeannie + J. black had 3 children in new zealand . john emigrated to USA ,
i wonder who he was living with aged13 from 1923-1929
\my grandfather Tommy's ship records show him starting as a boy 1st class in 1920 on the HMS Vivid and notes say he joned navy after his parents died .

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 30 Jul 2014 10:22

Sorry should have said that further down the page with Isabella's emigration there is a Nellie Ross, possibly her sister Helen?

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 30 Jul 2014 10:19

1915

Name: Sarah Ross
Birth Year: abt 1907
Birth Place: Scotland
Age: 8
Gender: Female
Residence Place: New York, Kings
Relationship: Daughter
Colour or Race: White
Number of Years in US: 2
Assembly District: 11
House Number: 230
Line Number: 6
Page Number: 20
Household Members:
Name Age
Hugh Ross 50
Sarah Ross 50
Helen Ross 21
John Ross 18
Robert Ross 13
Sarah Ross 8
David Ross 6


1925

Name: Sarah Ross
Birth Date: abt 1907
Birth Place: Scotland
Age: 18
Gender: Female
Residence Place: Brooklyn, Kings
Relationship: Daughter
Colour or Race: White
Number of Years in US: 13
Assembly District: 15
House Number: 735
Line Number: 23
Page Number: 37
Household Members:
Name Age
Hugh Ross 60,
Sarah Ross 60
Robert Ross 23
Sarah Ross 18
David Ross 16
John Hugh Dye 05 Grandson b. U.S


Hugh was 15 years in the states, wife and children 13.


1891


Name: Hugh Ross
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Sarah W Ross
Gender: Male
Where born: St Nicols, Aberdeensh
Registration Number: 673/2
Registration district: Fauldhouse
Civil Parish: Whitburn
County: West Lothian
Address: Port Office Row
Occupation: Railway Signalman
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 147
LINE: 11
Roll: CSSCT1891_328
Household Members:
Name Age
Hugh Ross 26
Sarah W Ross 25
Isabella Ross 4
Hugh Ross 2


1901



Name: Isabella Ross
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's Name: Hugh B Ross
Mother's name: Sarah Ross
Gender: Female
Where born: Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 644/8
Registration district: Milton
Civil Parish: Glasgow St George in the Fields
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 509 St Georges Rd
Occupation: Menage Girl
ED: 29
Household schedule number: 39
LINE: 6
Roll: CSSCT1901_295
Household Members:
Name Age
Hugh B Ross 34
Sarah Ross 34
Isabella Ross 14
Hugh Ross 11
William Ross 9
Helen Ross 6
John S Ross 3


Name: Isabella Livingston
Gender: Female
Age: 26
Birth Date: abt 1887
Departure Date: 3 May 1913
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Destination Port: New York, USA
Ship Name: Caledonia
Search Ship Database: Search the 'Caledonia' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping line: Anchor Line
Official Number: 121218
Master: H H Wadsworth

Travelling with sons Charles and Hugh


1920

Name: Isabella Livingston
Age: 32
Birth Year: abt 1888
Birthplace: Scotland
Home in 1920: Brooklyn Assembly District 15, Kings, New York
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1913
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Charles Livingston
Father's Birthplace: Scotland
Mother's Birthplace: Scotland
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Livingston 38
Isabella Livingston 32
Charles Livingston 12
Hugh Livingston 8
James Livingston 1
[1 11/12]

brigid

brigid Report 30 Jul 2014 10:17

sorry don't have Christinact birth ..just off to alisoun's to check family scroll ..i believe we are connected to Ross family elsewhere too ,

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 30 Jul 2014 10:02

This may be Sarah. Going with her mother, Sarah aged 46 and brothers Robert and David going to her sister Isabella Livingston in Brooklyn.

Name: Sarah Ross
Arrival Date: 19 Aug 1912
Birth Date: abt 1907
Birth Location: Scotland
Birth Location Other: Glasgow, Scotland
Age: 5
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/ Nationality: Scottish (Scotish)
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Caledonia
Search Ship Database: Search the Caledonia in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

rootgatherer

rootgatherer Report 30 Jul 2014 09:38

There was no image for the Christina data, sorry. Do you know her exact dAte of birth please?