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UK, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960
about James Black
Name:
James Black
Gender: Male
Age: 19
Birth Date: abt 1893
Departure Date: 22 Nov 1912
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
Destination Port: Sydney, Australia
Ship Name: Wandilla
Shipping line: Adelaide Steamship Company
Master: James Sim


He's a grocer

yes it is .we missed him off our paper transcription ..sorry .
thanks for your continued patience Root gatherer

ps our Mcfarlane scrol was given to my father in 1998 the writer ( grandma macdermid's nephew ) gave a copy to all those who'd helped add details it's for the Stevenson side of family....isn't that lovely ?
It spreads all across the living room floor

James Duff Black's birth:

1893 BLACK JAMES DUFF M BOTHWELL /LANARK 625/01 0305

I still don't see his marriage to Jean in Scotland. As has already been suggested, perhaps they married in NZ.

Is this not Malcolm with his parents and siblings in 1901?


Name: Malcolm Mcdermid
Age: 7
Estimated birth year: abt 1894
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: Malcolm Mcdermid
Mother's name: Jeanie Mcdermid
Gender: Male
Where born: Old Monkland, Lanarkshire
Registration Number: 652/1
Registration district: Old Monkland Western District
Civil Parish: Old Monkland Western District
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 4, Burn Butts
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 131
LINE: 18
Roll: CSSCT1901_345
Household Members:
Name Age
Malcolm Mcdermid 39
Jeanie Mcdermid 37
Duncan Mcdermid 18
Agnes Mcdermid 15
Jeanie Mcdermid 12
Andrew Mcdermid 9
Malcolm Mcdermid 7
Walter Mcdermid 4

No.9 Christine
b9/07/1907- d18/07/1992
aged 3 in 1911 census
emigrated 1923 with siblings
aged 15 umbrella maker .next of kin listed as mrs Macdermid

M. John H Kelly
Census 1930 with John H Kelley + baby Mailyn in Union city Hudson new jersey
census 1940 spelt Kelly now in Hoboken,Hudson
John aged 35, Christina aged 33 mailyn aged 10 John aged 8
she came back to GB around 1930 (to visit relatives )


No 10 John b 12/08/1910
aged 7 months on 1911 census father dceased

emigrated to USA aged 19 1929 last address with brother Andrew 30 deans Av,cambuslang going to brother James macdermid 3017church av brooklyn New York
died 4th jan 1982 age 71
naturalised 1939 new york

No.6. Walter b1897 apprentice grocer in 1911
died in thiepval WW1 13/11/1916 aged 19

No 7 james (kyle)Macdermid .b 15/02/1902
schoolboy aged 9 1911
emigrated in 1923 with siblings :single. tin maker

m .sarah Ross b10/05/1907-16/05/2002 in USA
naturalised 25/04/1928


d july 1982 aged 80 Florida
Children ; jean Rose macdermid +
james kyle macdermid
Us veteran
1950-1954 not sure if this is james K junior or senior

no 5 malcolm ;b1894
not with family in 1901 aged 7 ?
1911 aged 17 boot repairer
WW1 1914-1920 regiment LD RE T

Edit.

Married aged27
Lizzie dougall age 23 1921

Rented shoe shop in cumbuslang in 1920 s and 1930


Had daughter jean Dougal Macdermid in 1927

Emigrated to Australia in 1952

Part 2

Sibling No.3 jeannie b1889 1911 bleaching
married james Duff Black ;surface worker ,mill hand (date +place?)
emigrated to New Zealand
with him in 1928 1935 1957 electoral rolls NZ

daughter jean Kyle macdermid Black spinster on 1946 electoral rolls
possibly 2 other children

Re Elizabeth McDiarmid wife of Andrew
EDIT ADDED 1/08/2014 ; info from a McDiarmid member on GR "I have her as daughter of Archibald and Sarah Andrews ...... I do have her as from Cambuslang with siblings George, Sarah, Mary Stewart and Andrew."


No.4 Andrew kyle macdermid b.28/8/1891 old monkland
1911 cloth lapper aged 19
m.1920 in Cambuslang Elizabeth McDiarmid
next of kin when brother John went to USA in 1929
lived at 30 deans/dearns road .there at his death in 1964 east kilbride <3

Summary so far Part 1 children of Duncan + agnes McDermid
;+ varient spellings

1)Duncan McDermid born 1882
1901 was grocer's clerk . died 1910.
Edit : m
" Married ???" Celia/Cecelia Robson
Had son Duncan Macdermid B Ireland
Mary A Macdermid B Glasgow 1910

Widow Celia MacDermid with duncan age 6 Mary a Macdermid in 1911 census Glasgow

2)Agnes /Annie b1885 bleachfield worker aged 15 1901, 1911 sg aged 25 still bonded warehouse
m. 1919 James Robertson b1892

1923 emigrated to USA aged 37 with husband James aged 31 and son James aged 3 (james ,6 yrs younger than Agnes,

They travelled on boat with siblings No 7 James (tin worker)+ No. 9 Christina aged 15 (umbrella -maker .)
To stay with John mcFarlane (Uncle or Cousin ?) in New york

Agnes with Husband+ son in USA1930 but not in 1940 census (deceased

Grandfather Tommy was no 7 ; in navy aged 1920 aged 17

original Info on notes of siblings came from my uncles research + paternal grandmas memories re her husbands siblings ; she thought Duncan + Malcom had 2 children , in lanarkshire .and Jeannie Black having 3 children in New Zealand ; She had mentionned a Mailyn and now we know that was Chrissie's daughter . As Chrissie 's visit came to GB is one of my aunt's earliest memoriesin could she have come in 1929 not in the 30's before my dad was born + before mailyn was born .... with a present for the future baby + a doll for his 4 yr old sister .

UpDate ; Andrew Kyle Macdermid
died 8th oct 1964 in East kilbride at 30 ? 80 ? Dearns av
death confirmed by Elisabeth McDiarmid or Macdermid
he left a will

. Thanks again for all your hard work
this is not any of the Johns on our scroll ; we have a joiner b1846 in tollcross
father of john dougas macfarlane b1905 tanning labourer
they are related to maternal stevenson gg.parents not sons ofa walter + margaret

These are the only births of children of Walter McFarlane and Margaret Machan showing on SP. I wouldn't put too much faith in all the ages given in 1841, Brigid.
John's, at least, is a few years out - unless the birth record is for an earlier John who maybe died in infancy.

7/05/1835 MCFARLANE CHRISTIAN WALTER MCFARLANE/MARGARET MACHAN FR156 (FR156) F MEARNS /RENFREW 571/00 0020 0051

28/10/1827 MCFARLANE JOHN WALTER MCFARLANE/MARGARET MACHAN FR156 (FR156) M MEARNS /RENFREW 571/00 0020 0051

3/02/1839 MCFARLANE MARY WALTER MCFARLANE/MARGARET MACHAN FR163 (FR163) F MEARNS /RENFREW 571/00 0020 0064

if Agnes + Duncan married in 1850 she would have been living with her new husbands family in 1951 census;

Agnes is paternal grandma's name + jean is mothers name consistant with a 2nd + 3rd daughter .
EDIT
ps fairly normal for a 20 yr old john mcfarlane not to be with his parents for all kinds of reasons .....we don't know if the USA host J.Mc F was married .

like the possibility that Agnes maybe had a twin Martha

This looks like the same family in 1951, with Agnes missing because she had married in 1850. The mother's listed under her maiden name, a common practice in Scottish censuses.
I wonder where John's gone?!

1851 Scotland Census about Walter Mcfarlane
Name: Walter Mcfarlane
Age: 48
Estimated birth year: abt 1803
Relationship: Head
Spouse: Margaret Machan
Gender: Male
Where born: Glaso, Lanark
Parish Number: 644/1
Civil Parish: Glasgow St Paul
County: Lanarkshire
Address: 9 Stirling St
Occupation: Bookseller
ED: 8
Page: 8
Household schedule number: 29
LINE: 18
Roll: CSSCT1851_157
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter Mcfarlane 48
Margaret Machan 48
Martha Mcfarlane 25
Margaret Mcfarlane 20
Jean Mcfarlane 18
Mary Mcfarlane 12
Malcolm Mcfarlane 6
Elizabeth Mcfarlane 3

thanks Argyll gran ...yes this looks like her + confirms that John was a mcFarlane family name if American john was the grandson of this John he'd be the cousin of the Macdermids he welcomed in New York .

I would suggest adding your summary at the end, but editing the title of the thread to add "See summary page 5" or whatever page we may have reached by then.

You could add those words to the beginning of the first post too, so people don't have to trawl through the whole thread unless they want to.

Re John McFarlane:

Just because of the name, it does seem likely that he's some relation of grandmother Agnes, but it's impossible to trace her family, as her birthplace varies wildly from one census to another.
There are quite a number of Agnes Mcfarlanes (or variation of spelling) in the 1841 census who might be her.

Probably Agnes & Duncan's marriage:

22/06/1850 MCDIARMID DUNCAN
AGNES MACFARLANE/FR1260 (FR1260) M EASTWOOD /LANARK 562/00 0050 0271

So presumably she was born Lanarkshire (and son Walter was born in Eastwood, per his birth record posted by rootgatherer on page 1 of this thread).

So maybe???? this is Agnes in 1841, especially with father named Walter:


1841 Scotland Census about Agnes Mcfarlane
Name: Agnes Mcfarlane
Age: 15
Estimated birth year: abt 1826
Gender: Female
Where born: Lanarkshire, Scotland
Civil Parish: Gorbals
County: Lanarkshire
Address: Commercial Road
Occupation: P L W Cotton
Parish Number: 644/2
Household Members:
Name Age
Walter Mcfarlane 35
Margaret Mcfarlane 35
Martha Mcfarlane 15
Agnes Mcfarlane 15
John Mcfarlane 10 ??????????????????????
Margaret Mcfarlane 10
Jean Mcfarlane 9
Christian Mcfarlane 5
Mary Mcfarlane 2

Can't see any of the children's births conclusively, though. There are some with parents Walter & Margaret, but the dates are not the same as the census.
Registration wasn't compulsory then, of course, and 1841 census birth dates are frequently inaccurate, as well as the handwriting often being difficult to decipher.

Perhaps the one in Bradhurst Avenue was a son of Agnes's brother? Assuming that's the right family.
Bit of a long shot, I know.

Quick answers ; so far my aunt's original information has proved reliable so i'm not ruling out 2 children for Duncan b1882 sorry I'll edit previous entry ..unforgivable to make that mistake when precision is needed with this name) ..I'll need to get his + Andrew's death certificates + I'll look for his wife Elisabeth Mcdiarmid on 1911 census at library because my computer screen is flickering + some records are free there
It's hard to prioritise what to do 1st meanwhile my house + garden are being neglected

re past posts ; Only one NZ electoral rolls given have jean Kyle Black with James Duff black so is the spinster , Jean Kyle MacDermid Black r daughter ..? could the other Jean Kyles .....with varios surnames be grandaughters ?

should I add my summary update at end of thread or edit original post ith a post cript ?
Argyllgran its a code thay want to verify my visa number .