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Grosert - Newcastle on Tyne

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HelenG

HelenG Report 27 Oct 2012 11:35

Looking for information on a William Grosert who possibly married an Emily White. William was born in 1886 in Newcastle on Tyne.

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 27 Oct 2012 11:37

Do you have him on 1911 census?

Location ?

Was he married by then ?

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 27 Oct 2012 11:39

1911 ?
Name: William Grosert
Age in 1911: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation to Head: Son
Gender: Male
Birth Place: Newcastle On Tyne
Civil parish: Gateshead
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street Address: 14 Gibson Street Gateshead
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: Engine Fitter
Registration district: Gateshead
Registration District Number: 557
Sub-registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Piece: 30435
Household Members: Name Age
William Grosert 68
Euphamia Grosert 63
William Grosert 24
Emily White 25 - shown as grand daughter

Potty

Potty Report 27 Oct 2012 11:39

Did he really marry Emily White - looks as if she is his neice:

1901 England Census
about William Grosert
Name: William Grosert
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William Grosert
Mother's name: Euphenia Grosert
Gender: Male
Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England

Civil parish: Gateshead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthbert
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Gateshead
Sub-registration district: Gateshead
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 265
Piece: 4753
Folio: 46
Page Number: 41
Household Members: Name Age
William Grosert 58
Euphenia Grosert 53
William Grosert 14 son
Emily White 15 grandaughter


GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 27 Oct 2012 11:41

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Marriages Jun 1913 (>99%)
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Grosert William Woods Gateshead 10a 1559
Murray John W Pendrich Gateshead 10a 1559
Pendrich Gertrude O Murray Gateshead 10a 1559
Woods Elsie A Grosert Gateshead 10a 1559


Given the possible births after 1913 then he married Elsie Woods

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 27 Oct 2012 11:43

Why do you think he might have married Emily White ?

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Oct 2012 11:45

Have you done any research yourself on freebmd to establish who he 'may' have married?

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

That should have been your first port of call............

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 27 Oct 2012 11:47

The 1891 census:-

1891 census transcription details for: 47, Villa Place, Westgate, Newcastle On Tyne

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG12
Piece: 4192
Folio: 67
Page: 21
Reg. District: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub District: Westgate
Parish: Westgate
Enum. District: 8
Ecclesiastical District: St Matthew
City/Municipal Borough: Newcastle on Tyne

Address: 47, Villa Place, Westgate, Newcastle On Tyne
County: Northumberland

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

GROSART, William Head Married M 48 1843 Cartman
Scotland
GROSART, Euphemia Wife Married F 44 1847
Scotland
GROSART, Isabella Daughter Single F 15 1876 Confectioners Assistant
Newcastle
GROSART, William M 4 1887
Newcastle
WHITE, Emily Granddaughter F 5 1886
Newcastle

Kath. x

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 27 Oct 2012 11:49

How are you related to William ?

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 27 Oct 2012 11:51

The marriage from Findmypast (as Glitterbaby has already posted):-

MarriageFinder: William Grosert married Elsie A Woods

Name: GROSERT, William
Registration district: Gateshead
County: Durham
Year of registration: 1913
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Woods
Volume no: 10A
Page no: 1559

Name: WOODS, Elsie A
Registration district: Gateshead
County: Durham
Year of registration: 1913
Quarter of registration: Apr-May-Jun
Spouse's last name: Grosert
Volume no: 10A
Page no: 1559

There is also another marriage for the same name in Gateshead - not sure if this is a second marriage for William or for someone else:-

MarriageFinder: William Grosert married Leonora Cashman

Name: GROSERT, William
Registration district: Gateshead
County: Durham
Year of registration: 1924
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Cashman
Volume no: 10A
Page no: 1396

Name: CASHMAN, Leonora
Registration district: Gateshead
County: Durham
Year of registration: 1924
Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's last name: Grosert
Volume no: 10A
Page no: 1396

Kath. x

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Oct 2012 12:00

Marriages Jun 1875 (>99%)
Grosert William Newcastle T. 10b 268
WHITE Euphemia Newcastle T. 10b 268

MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 27 Oct 2012 12:03

Did some manipulation of the searches on Scotland's People and found this marriage:

43 1880 GROSSERT WILLIAM ROSS EUPHEMIA LIBERTON (MIDLOTHIAN) EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 693/00 000

So how could they have had a grand-daughter born c1885? Are they using the term perhaps to mean another relationship?

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 27 Oct 2012 12:03

Do you know when he died ?

The death registered in 1949 can not be him


MarieCeleste

MarieCeleste Report 27 Oct 2012 12:04

I see Reggie's found another marriage possibility (more likely than the Scottish one I posted), but they still couldn't have become grandparents after 10 years of marriage.

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 27 Oct 2012 12:04

The 1881 census (perhaps Emily White could be the daughter of Maggie A. Grosert):-

1881 census transcription details for: 47, Villa Place, Westgate

National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG11
Piece: 5049
Folio: 47
Page: 22
Reg. District: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub District: Westgate
Parish: Westgate
Enum. District:
Ecclesiastical District:
City/Municipal Borough:

Address: 47, Villa Place, Westgate
County: Northumberland

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born

GROSSART, William Head Married M 38 1843 Cartman
Scotland
GROSSART, Euphemia Wife Married F 34 1847
Scotland
GROSSART, Magie A Daughter Single F 11 1870 Scholar
Scotland
GROSSART, Isabella Daughter Single F 5 1876 Scholar
Newcastle, Northumberland
RUNCIMAN, William Lodger Single M 22 1859 Railway Shunter
Scotland

In view of the marriage Reggie has found, are you perhaps mixing up William born c.1887 with his father who married Euphemia White?

Kath. x

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 27 Oct 2012 12:04

Could do with some feedback

KathleenBell

KathleenBell Report 27 Oct 2012 12:10

The 1911 census has William and Euphemia married 35 years (so around 1875/1876).

Perhaps one of them had been married before and Emily was a granddaughter from one of the children from that marriage???

Kath. x

ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Oct 2012 12:13

1881 England Census

Name: Euphemia Grossart
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Grossart
Gender: Female
Where born: Scotland
Civil parish: Westgate
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address: 47 Villa Place
Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Westgate
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5049
Folio: 47
Page Number: 22
Household Members:
Name Age
William Grossart 38
Euphemia Grossart 34
Magie A. Grossart 11
Isabella Grossart 5
William Runciman 22


ErikaH

ErikaH Report 27 Oct 2012 12:16

As per the marriage info posted earlier.........WHITE was Euphemia's name at the time she married William

Potty

Potty Report 27 Oct 2012 12:22

Possible baptism for Maggie:

parents: Euphemia White

name: Maggie Ann White
gender: Female
birth date: 13 Jan 1870
birthplace: SELKIRK,SELKIRK,SCOTLAND
mother's name: Euphemia White
indexing project (batch) number: C11778-1
system origin: Scotland-ODM
source film number: 6035516