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John Horsley born 1817 Thixendale Yorkshire married to Hannah born 1829 Forcett Yorkshire children Elizabeth 1845 William 1848 Benjamin 1849 all born Crakehall Yorkshire. They are at Crakehall nr Bedale on 1851 census. They vanish after that and I have had a lot of help off members of this site to find them but no luck so I was wondering if someone could look at the emigration records to see if they emigrated. These records are the only help I would like thanks.

Hi Marian - do you have a previous thread about them?

I take it you haven't found a relevant death for John and remarriage for Hannah?

1851 for reference - John & Hannah's ages a bit different to what you state:

HORSLEY, John Head Married M 37 1814 Farmer Of 165 Acres Employing 1 Lab Thirendale, Yorkshire
HORSLEY, Hannah Wife Married F 27 1824 Farmer's Wife Forcett, Yorkshire
HORSLEY, Elizabeth Daughter F 5 1846 Farmer's Daur Crakehall, Yorkshire
HORSLEY, William Son M 3 1848 Crakehall, Yorkshire
HORSLEY, Benjamin Son M 2 1849 Crakehall, Yorkshire
HUMPHREY, Hannah Servant Unmarried F 20 1831 House Serv Stockton, Yorkshire
KIRK, John Servant Unmarried M 15 1836 Serv Thornton Le Beans, Yorkshire

Piece: 2378 Folio: 122 Page: 13
Registration District: Bedale

Address: Crown Inn County: Yorkshire (North riding)

I do have a previous thread and I had a lot of help. There are too many deaths for John and none in Bedale. Likewise marriage for Hannah, there are quite a few. The children are as above with very common names. They don't appear on any more census especially as a family. I just thought I would try emigration records.

OK - was looking for that previous thread because it always helps us to see whatever background information was on there rather than working "cold" on a new request.

I have now discovered that John and his family went to Australia between 1851 and 1856 (got their death details from an Ancestry family tree). Have emailed the tree holder but haven't heard back yet (if at all). In the criminal registers immigration and emigration section of Ancestry there are two entries for a John Horsley born 1815 and resident in Crakehall Yorkshire as a place where he was resident. Could someone please take a look to see if either match my John Horsley. I would like to know when they actually went. Thank you.

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Yorkshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1844
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
HORSLEY John RACE Hannah Crakehall, St Gregory, Northallerton Harrogate C16NO/1/7

England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892

Name: John Horsley
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Date of Trial: 14 Oct 1839
Trial Year: 1839
Location of Trial: Yorkshire - East Riding, England
Sentence: 12 months Imprisonment and sureties
Crime: Riot

There is this record but no way of knowing if he's yours:

Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923

Name: John Horsley
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Age: 44
Arrival Date: 29 Aug 1857
Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port: Liverpool
Ship: Dragoon
Nationality: English

EDIT: Looks like it was him - see rest of family further down.

Marian, what were the names of your John's parents? It can be useful when checking overseas records.

There were several John Horsleys - how do you know the Ancestry tree is correct?

This is helpful - their son:

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985

Name: Benj Race Horsley
Death Place: Dandenong, Victoria
Age: 77
Father's Name: Jno Horsley
Registration Year: 1928
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 9824
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851

His father was called William, I don't know what his mother was called. His son William born 1847 and a daughter Mary Ann both died in the year 1857 in Melbourne Australia but don't know what month.

Wonder if the first name was Ben?

Victoria, Australia, Assisted and Unassisted Passenger Lists, 1839–1923

Name: Bayne Horsley
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Age: 8
Arrival Date: 29 Aug 1857
Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port: Liverpool
Ship: Dragoon
Nationality: English

Looks like the rest of the family:

Name: Annah Horsley
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Age: 36
Arrival Date: 29 Aug 1857
Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port: Liverpool
Ship: Dragoon
Nationality: English

Name: Elisa Horsley
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Age: 11
Arrival Date: 29 Aug 1857
Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port: Liverpool
Ship: Dragoon
Nationality: English

Name: Wm Horsley
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Age: 10
Arrival Date: 29 Aug 1857
Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port: Liverpool
Ship: Dragoon
Nationality: English

Name: Mary Horsley
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Age: 5
Arrival Date: 29 Aug 1857
Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port: Liverpool
Ship: Dragoon
Nationality: English

Name: Dalsh Horsley
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Age: 2
Arrival Date: 29 Aug 1857
Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port: Liverpool
Ship: Dragoon
Nationality: English

Name: Ann Horsley
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Age: 1
Arrival Date: 29 Aug 1857
Arrival Port: Melbourne, Australia
Departure Port: Liverpool
Ship: Dragoon
Nationality: English

I believe it is the same tree because his wife Hannah is listed and her maiden name is Race and two of their children born in England were William and Benjamin. On the ancestry tree it says lived in Crakehall which is where they are on the 1851 census.

Looks like they had several more children:

Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922

Name: Horsley
Father's Name: John Horsley
Mother's Name: Hannah Race
Birth Place: Caulfield, Victoria
Registration Year: 1860
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 5523

Name: Hannah Alice Horsley
Father's Name: John Horsley
Mother's Name: Hannah Race
Birth Place: Caulfield, Victoria
Registration Year: 1862
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 3904

Name: John Horsley
Father's Name: John Horsley
Mother's Name: Hannah Race
Birth Place: Narr, Victoria
Registration Year: 1865
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 10708

Thank you for all the information given above. I appreciate it. I am now going to google the place names to see what they would be like. Would love to know why they went so I am hopeful of a reply from the tree submitter.
Best regards.

Might be connected:

Australian Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980

Name: Benjamin Horsley
Gender: Male
Electoral Year: 1924
State: Victoria
District: Flinders
Subdistrict: Dandenong

He was an apiarist, living at Lyndhurst with Isabel (home duties) and John (a farmer)

In 1909 it was the same scenario but with the addition of Catherine (home duties) and Thomas (Labourer)

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1956) Tuesday 28 August 1928

HORSLEY.-On the 26th August, at private hospital, Dandenong, Benjamin Race Horsley, the dearly loved brother of John Horsley, aged 77 years.

Sweet rest at last.

This may be about Hannah's death:

The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1956) Saturday 28 December 1867

The district coroner held an inquest in Narrawarren yesterday, on the body of a woman named Hannah Horsley, who died on the 23rd inst., after giving birth to a still-born child. A post-mortem examination showed death to have resulted from haemorrhage. A verdict in accordance with the evidence was returned.

Australia Death Index, 1787-1985
Name: Hannah Horsley
Death Place: Victoria
Age: 44
Father's Name: Race Benjamin
Mother's Name: Elizabeth U
Registration Year: 1867
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration number: 11200
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823

It is Hannah, her dob is right and her parents were Benjamin and Elizabeth. Thank you. I've gone from a blank in 1851 to all the above. I don't think they left England to farm, I've googled Narre Warren, Victoria (from the Ancestry family tree) and its a suburb of Melboure. Best regards.