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OneFootInTheGrave
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10 Oct 2012 09:35 |
Can anyone assist me in establishing who Christian Wotherspoon born 23 Feb 1806, married
I have found two marriages and I cannot determine which is the correct one :-(
This is the Christian Wotherspoon in question:-
name: Christian Wotherspoon gender: Female baptism/christening date: 02 Mar 1806 baptism/christening place: BARONY,LANARK,SCOTLAND birth date: 23 Feb 1806 birthplace: death date: name note: race: father's name: John Wotherspoon father's birthplace: father's age: mother's name: Janet Spittal mother's birthplace: mother's age: indexing project (batch) number: C11968-6 system origin: Scotland-ODM source film number: 1041477
These are the two marriages I found on Scotlands People:-
13/05/1827 WOTHERSPOON CHRISTIAN/ALEXANDER GARDNER (FR760 (FR760) F OLD MONKLAND OR COATBRIDGE/LANARK 652/00 0030 0040
Parish of Shotts ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
09/03/1839 WOTHERSPOON CHRISTIAN/MATTHEW ROBERTSON (FR813 (FR813) F OLD MONKLAND OR COATBRIDGE/LANARK 652/00 0030 0139
Crosshill in the Parish of Old Monkland
Thanks,
James
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10 Oct 2012 09:40 |
1841 Scotland Census about Christan Gardner Name: Christan Gardner Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806 Gender: Female Where born: Lanarkshire, Scotland Civil parish: Old Monkland County: Lanarkshire Address: West Maryston Parish Number: 652 Household Members: Name Age Alexr Gardner 34 Christan Gardner 35 Willm Gardner 11 John Gardner 7 Alexr Gardner 10 Mo Jannet Gardner 13 Mary Gardner 3
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10 Oct 2012 09:42 |
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1841 Scotland Census about Christan Gardner Name: Christan Gardner Age: 35 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806 Gender: Female Where born: Lanarkshire, Scotland Civil parish: Old Monkland County: Lanarkshire Address: West Maryston Parish Number: 652 Household Members: Name Age Alexr Gardner 34 Christan Gardner 35 Willm Gardner 11 John Gardner 7 Alexr Gardner 10 Mo Jannet Gardner 13 Mary Gardner 3
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10 Oct 2012 09:44 |
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1851 Scotland Census about Christiana Gardner Name: Christiana Gardner Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806 Relationship: Wife Spouse's Name: Alexander Gardner Gender: Female Where born: Barony, Lanark Parish Number: 652 Civil parish: Old Monkland Town: West Merryston County: Lanarkshire Address: West Merryston Occupation: Labourer Wife ED: 35 Page: 18 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 63 Line: 14 Roll: CSSCT1851_171 Household Members: Name Age Alexander Gardner 44 Christiana Gardner 45 Janet Gardner 22 William Gardner 20 John Gardner 17 Alexander Gardner 10 Elizabeth Gardner 6 Christiana Gardner 4 Thomas Gardner 1
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10 Oct 2012 09:50 |
1861 Scotland Census Name: Alexander Gardner Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841 Relationship: Boarder Gender: Male Where born: Old Monkland, Lanark Registration Number: 652/1 Registration district: Old Monkland Western District Civil parish: Old Monkland County: Lanarkshire Address: Wotherspoon's Land Occupation: Boatman ED: 10 Household schedule number: 137 Line: 20 Roll: CSSCT1861_118 Household Members: Name Age Jennet Wotherspoon 55 Spirit Dealer George Wotherspoon 19 Boatman Alexander Gardner 20 1871 Scotland Census Name: Alexander Gardner Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842 Relationship: Head Spouse's name : Jane Gardner Gender: Male Where born: Old Monkland, Lanarkshire Registration Number: 652/1 Registration district: Old Monkland Western District Civil parish: Old Monkland County: Lanarkshire Address: Smellies Land Occupation: Boatman ED: 10 Household schedule number: 46 Line: 21 Roll: CSSCT1871_148 Household Members: Name Age Alexander Gardner 29 Jane Gardner 29 John Gardner 3 Im guessing the parents have died by 1861?
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PricklyHolly
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10 Oct 2012 10:16 |
1851 Scotland Census about Janet Wotherspoon Name: Janet Wotherspoon Age: 48 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1803 Relationship: Head Gender: Female Where born: Old Monkland, Lanark Parish Number: 652 Civil parish: Old Monkland Town: West Merryston County: Lanarkshire Address: West Merryston Occupation: Shopkeeper ED: 35 Page: 26 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 97 Line: 7 Roll: CSSCT1851_171 Household Members: Name Age Janet Wotherspoon 48 George Wotherspoon 9
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10 Oct 2012 10:27 |
This looks like the couple from the other marriage - so that Christian is too old?
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Name: Christiana Robertson Age: 61 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1790 Relationship: Wife Spouse's Name: Matthew Robertson Gender: Female Where born: Lanarkshire Parish Number: 652 Civil parish: Old Monkland Town: West Merryston County: Lanarkshire Address: Rogerfield ED: 35 Page: 34 (click to see others on page) Household schedule number: 125 Line: 2 Roll: CSSCT1851_171 Household Members: Name Age Matthew Robertson 60 Christiana Robertson 61
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OneFootInTheGrave
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10 Oct 2012 10:31 |
Gins and PricklyHolly, many thanks for that information, much appreciated.
I looked at the 1841 census earlier today for Alexander Gardner and Christiana Gardner, some of the children's christian names follow the pattern of my Wotherspoon's family names.
However, as they say, once bitten twice shy, so having once followed a wrong trail and ending up having to remove some 20 individuals from my tree, I am reluctant to accept Alexander Gardner as her husband until I am fully convinced he is the correct one.
Regards,
James
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Gee
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10 Oct 2012 10:36 |
Hi James
Alex and Christ* son is with this family on the above the census
Jennet Wotherspoon 55 Spirit Dealer George Wotherspoon 19 Boatman Alexander Gardner 20
I would guess that Jennet is either a sister of Christ* or sister inlaw
Too much of a coincidence not to be the correct family? Also, Root has found the other couple (Robertson) so that rules out the other marriage
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OneFootInTheGrave
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10 Oct 2012 10:46 |
Thanks rootgatherer,
According to FamilySearch.org, the Matthew Robertson I referred to, married a Christian Wotherspoon, see below:-
spouse: Christian Wotherspoon groom's name: Matthew Robertson bride's name: Christian Wotherspoon marriage date: 09 Mar 1839 marriage place: Old Monkland,Lanark,Scotland indexing project (batch) number: M11652-4 system origin: Scotland-ODM source film number: 1066602
Thanks for your input,
James
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GlasgowLass
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10 Oct 2012 10:59 |
Hi James, Just catching up on this. I agree with the others, this is the family of Christian Wotherspoon and Alexander Gardner. Looking at this family, I would also agree that Christian was the daughter of John Wotherspoon and Janet Spittal. The bigger question remains.... Was her father John Wotherspoon definitely the son of George Wotherpoon and Christian Burnett??? I can't see the name George appearing as either a sibling of her father or herself.
Anne
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OneFootInTheGrave
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10 Oct 2012 11:09 |
Thank Gins,
I am browsing around at the moment to see if I can link Jennet Wotherspoon 55 and George Wotherspoon 19, with any of those on my tree.
Regards,
James
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Gee
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10 Oct 2012 11:17 |
Is this your tree at Ancestry? They have Christ as the second child born to John & Janet - verified with a copy of the baptisim
John WOTHERSPOON 1783 – 1840 Janet SPITTAL 1778 – 1850 Show siblings Hide siblings Spouse & ChildrenAlexander GARDNER 1806 – Janet GARDNER 1829 – William GARDNER 1831 – John GARDNER 1834 – Alexander GARDNER 1841 – Elizabeth GARDNER 1845 – Christiana GARDNER 1847 – Thomas GARDNER 1850 –
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GlasgowLass
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10 Oct 2012 11:22 |
Hi James, I take it back..... John Wotherspoon and Janet Spitall DID have a son called George! Born 14 Jan 1808 in Old Monkland.
He was most likely the eldest son..... you are back on track as his father John Wotherspoon will be the son of George Wotherspoon and Christian Burnett
Anne
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10 Oct 2012 11:27 |
I wonder if this is the same George from the 1851 that Prickles posted?
Same address
1841 Scotland Census about George Wotherspon Name: George Wotherspon Age: 2 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839 Gender: Male Where born: Lanarkshire, Scotland Civil parish: Old Monkland County: Lanarkshire Address: West Maryston Parish Number: 652 Household Members: Name Age Robt Wotherspon 30 Boatman Martha Wotherspon 20 George Wotherspon 2 Martha Wotherspon 7 Mo Edward Docherty 20 Boatman Edit: no its not the same one as this guy appears on the 1851 census :-(
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GlasgowLass
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10 Oct 2012 11:36 |
Children of John Wotherspoon and Janet Spittal
Isobell b 25 Nov 1804. Old Monkland Christian b 23 Feb 1806 Barony GEORGE b 14 Jan 1808 Old Monkland (missing from your tree) James b 15 Aug 1809 Glasgow John b 14 Jul 1811 Old Monkland Janet b 28 Nov 1819 Old Monkland Elizabeth b 18 Apr 1821 Old Monkland
The naming pattern is perfect for the father of these children to be the son of George Wotherspoon and Christian Burnett
Anne
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10 Oct 2012 11:47 |
No wonder I couldnt find Janet in 1841!!
1841 Scotland Census about George Wothespon Name: George Wothespon Age: 40 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1801 Gender: Male Where born: Lanarkshire, Scotland Civil parish: Old Monkland County: Lanarkshire Address: New Maryston Occupation: Boatman Parish Number: 652 Household Members: Name Age George Wothespon 40 Jannett Wothespon 40
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OneFootInTheGrave
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10 Oct 2012 12:23 |
Hello Anne and Gins,
I think I am might be getting somewhere, does this make sense, my George Wotherspoon married to Christian Burnett was the son of Robert Wotherspoon.
That George Wotherspoon had a brother John Wotherspoon b1764 and that John Wotherspoon married a Christian Mclearan on 15 Sep 1798, he was the father of George Wotherspoon b1801 who married a Jennet/Jannet/Janet Robertson in 1838, or maybe I have lost the plot again.
However his marriage to Christian Mclearan may be questionable as she is shown on a Family Search.org Ancestral File as being married to his father Robert Wotherspoon :-(
James
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10 Oct 2012 14:45 |
These are the records that made me say that John Wotherspoon's marriage to Christian Mclearan may be questionable as she is shown on a Family Search.org Pedigree Resource File as being married to his father Robert Wotherspoon, in my wildest dreams I cannot believe his wife and mother had the same names.
Family Search.org Pedigree Resource File:-
gender: Male birth: 1734 of Craighead,Lanarks.,Scotland AFN: 3C33-L9J Parents father: George Wotherspoon (AFN: 3C41-D5H ) mother: Mrs Wotherspoon (AFN: 3C41-H00 ) Marriages (1) spouse: Christian MC LEARAN (AFN: 3C33-Q1K ) marriage: 1775 of Wanflit,Old Monk,Lanark,Scotland
and yhen there is this:-
Scotland, Marriages, 1561-1910 Records:-
spouse: John Wotherspoon groom's name: John Wotherspoon bride's name: Christian Mclearan marriage date: 15 Sep 1798 marriage place: , Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland indexing project (batch) number: M11652-2 system origin: Scotland-ODM source film number: 1066602, 0102961
No wonder I get confused :-(
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OneFootInTheGrave
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10 Oct 2012 15:18 |
Hi Gins,
This tree is not mine:-
John WOTHERSPOON 1783 – 1840 Janet SPITTAL 1778 – 1850 Show siblings Hide siblings Spouse & ChildrenAlexander GARDNER 1806 – Janet GARDNER
Regards,
James
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