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Thank you Kay - that explains a lot. Thank you!

Good luck also,

Peter

Hi again,

Can someone look up the following two in the 1901?

Thank you

David Pattison, born 1881, Middlesbrough, Yorkshire
Alfred Pattison, born 1882, Selby, Yorkshire

Andrew posted a possible for David in 1901, do you believe this to be wrong?

Which one is David?
Births Sep 1880
PATTISON David George W Middlesbro' 9d 576
Births Mar 1882
Pattison David George W Middlesbro' 9d 558

6 children have died according to the 1911 census - so which ones are definitely still alive?

Thanks Patchem ... I only suspect that the census Andrew posted could be wrong due to the birth location (which doesn't tally). But then, that wouldn't be the first time.

It is not much to go but this all the children I have for this marriage:

Jane Pattison and David Pattison

Wife Jane Pattison
Born BEF 04 Feb 1849 Great Driffiled, Yorkshire
Married 29 Jul 1867 Darlington, County Durham
Other Spouse(s)
Died
Parents Isaac Pattison and Ann Stuart

Husband David Pattison
Born CAL 1848 Chilton, County Durham
Other Spouse(s)
Died
Parents James Pattison and Mary ?

Children
1 F
Elizabeth Pattison
Born BEF 14 Jun 1868 Darlington, County Durham
Spouse
Married
Died
2 M
James Pattison
Born CAL 1872 Darlington, County Durham
Spouse
Married
Died
3 F
Harriet Pattison
Born CAL 1878 Middlesbrough, Yorkshire
Spouse
Married
Died
4 M
David Pattison
Born CAL 1881 Middlesbrough, Yorkshire
Spouse
Married
Died
5 M
Alfred Pattison
Born CAL 1882 Selby, Yorkshire
Spouse
Married
Died
6 M
Charles Pattison
Born CAL 1887 Ripon, Yorkshire
Spouse
Married
Died
7 M
William Pattison
Born CAL 1890 Middleton In Teesdale, County Durham
Spouse
Married
Died
8 F
Mary Pattison
Born CAL 1893 Ripon, Yorkshire
Spouse
Married
Died

Does this help?

Peter

As I said, the 1911 says 12 children to the marriage, 6 still living.
Therefore which ones are they?

Also, have you got a birth certificate for Alfred, as I cannot see a birth for him in Selby on free bmd?

Thanks

Sorry Patchem but I don't know the answer to which children and surived and which ones died young. I can only account for 8 of the 12.

And no I don't have birth certificates for any of them.

Here is a possible marriage for Harriet but I really don't know:

Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1896 (>99%)
Ballan George Thomas Middlesbro' 9d 882 Scan available - click to view
Houldcroft Sarah Middlesbro 9d 882 Scan available - click to view
Jefferson John Thomas Middlesbro' 9d 882 Scan available - click to view
PATTISON Harriet Middlesbro' 9d 882 Scan available - click to view


Peter

Search marriages - results for spouse of HARRIET PATTISON

Result Year Surname Forename Initial Ref Number Click to contact
1 1896 JEFFERSON JOHN T M-27-006-0-0136 Middlesbrough
2 1896 PATTISON HARRIET M-27-006-0-0136 Middlesbrough

This is John T Jefferson in 1901 (probably)
1901 England Census
John Thos Jefferson Age: 28 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1873
Relation: Visitor Gender: Male
Where born: Middlesborough, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Harrogate Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England
Condition as to marriage: widower Registration district: Knaresborough
Sub-registration district: Harrogate
ED, institution, or vessel: 26 Household schedule number: 218 Piece: 4055 Folio: 42 Page Number: 37
Robert Ryder 39
Sarah Ann Ryder 33
Florence M Ryder 11
Harold Ryder 8
Lavinia Ryder 2
John Thos Jefferson 28
John E Jefferson 3
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4055; Folio: 42; Page: 37.

This is a possible death for his wife, who is not quite the correct age for Harriet Pattison:
Deaths Mar 1900
Jefferson Harriett 24 Middlesbro' 9d 490

I've emailed about this marriage so will post when I hear back from the register office.

Thanks again Patchem.

Can we see a possible marriage for Elizabeth?

Possible marriage:

Marriages Dec 1886 (>99%)
PATTISON Elizabeth Ripon 9a 119 Scan available - click to view

On that note, I can't find a marriage for Charles and Ann?! Married c. 1900. I've tried Pattison, PattiNson and Patterson. What do you think?

perhaps should be 1 year married (census does say 10 so were they trying to hide the fact that children were born before marriage!)

Name: PATTISON, Charles
Registration district: Ripon
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1909
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Spouse's last name: Not available before 1912
Volume no: 9A
Page no: 122


BARDON, Blanche
WHITAKER, Annie********
JOHNSON, Tom
birth of Mavis?
Name: WHITAKER, Mavis Queenie
Registration district: Ripon
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1907
Quarter of registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 9A
Page no: 65

? birth index for Charles Edwin
Name: WHITAKER, Charles Edwin
Registration district: Leeds
County: Yorkshire
Year of registration: 1902
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1911 Q3
Volume no: 9B
Page no: 443

Wow you seem to have found them! I love GR for this reason! It is so helpful.

Thank you. Can you maybe see a death for Charles senior? I only ask as I hope that name is fairly uncommon.

On the basis that his daughter Mavis Queenie appears to have married in Pontefract as below there appears to be a possible death for Charles in the same Reg District

Marriages Dec 1928
Pattison Mavis Q Reynolds Pontefract 9c 185
REYNOLDS Thomas W D Pattison Pontefract 9c 185


Name: Charles Pattison
Birth Date: abt 1887
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1963
Age at Death: 76
Registration district: Pontefract
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 2c
Page: 583

That is great. Also, there were Pattison cousins living in Pontefract from the c. 1890s so that would fit also.

Thank you again. Could I ask for a death for Alfred Pattison (c. 1882, maybe easier finding where his wife Emma Lena Pattison died as she had an usual name) and James Pattison (born c. 1872). Is he not available 1901? I asked for him, but maybe he has been missed?

Thank you again for this help.

Peter have you tried searching this free site for bmd's?


http://www.freebmd.org.uk/

I have but deaths usually stop in the 1950s? Is that correct?

it is always being added to if you go on the site and click the red information then coverage charts in statistics it will give you years completed

Oh great. I didn't know that. Thank you - I'll look into it!