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From Rootsweb:

"Wives travelling with husbands at sea (Captains, that is), was not uncommon in the 19th century. I have an almost complete run of the "Illustrated London News" from 1842-1900, and there are, quite literally, hundreds of instances within the pages of the magazine of spouses sailing together (with children, too, in some cases). "

Also from Rootsweb:

"I have found an interesting book that details life under sail in the merchant navy in the 1800s. Surprisingly it is about the women who accompanied their captain husbands/fathers on voyages to near and far places. Diaries, journals, and letters from these women have survived in some cases and provide much interesting information about life aboard ship--conditions, storms, diets, routines, passenger accommodations, etc. The women called themselves "sister sailors," and apparently their presence on trips was not at all uncommon, often including their children.

"Hen Frigates: Wives of Merchant Captains Under Sail" by Joan Druett (a writer about maritime affairs in the 1800s and 1900s). Pub. by Simon & Schuster, NYC, 1998, Illus. Ron Pruett (a maritime artist) ISBN: 0-684-83968-7

I think these diaries are more full and honest than the logs we generally get from ships' masters. I found the book very interesting."

So if he was a Master Mariner there is a chance Ann C travelled with him. Some wives did, and that would explain why you can't find them on the censuses.

Ozi

As requested by Flip on the 7th Oct......I have, at last, received the Death Cetificate of Ann Clarissa Milton (nee Pye)

Death Certificate received: Friday 26th October 2012
Death in the sub-district of West Derby
3rd September 1858.....62 Erskine Street
Ann Clarissa Milton aged 76 years widow of William Milton Master Mariner.
Elizabeth Wells was present at the time of death....death registered 4th September 1858

Many thanks once again,


Elaine

Hi Elaine,

Let us know if the death cert gives anything of interest or more to follow up on please. Interesting family though - John Bridge Pye gets quite a lot of mentions in his childrens/ggchildrens obits so I wonder why? Maybe he was a prominent figure in the area at the time.

Incidently, you'll find Charlottes marriage to plain Daniel Wells on Lancashireopc site - and his birth there as well. Don't know where the Butler came into his name though. National archives has Daniel as an AB serving in 1804 at the battle of Trafalgar..

Someone who might be connected?
http://genforum.genealogy.com/barbados/messages/3533.html

http://www.smithpye.com/pye_data/HISTORY.HTML

and other google searches.

These are her siblings according to Lancs OPC:

Baptisms: 19 Aug 1783 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Frances Isabella Pye - Daughter of John Bridge Pye & Margaret Pye
Born: 25 Jul 1783
Abode: Cable street
Occupation: Musician
Register: Baptisms 1781 - 1784, Page 100, Entry 564
Source: LDS Film 93833

Baptisms: 17 May 1785 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Agness Pye - Daughter of John Bridge Pye & Alice Margaret
Born: 18 Apr 1785
Abode: Cable Street
Occupation: Musician
Register: Baptisms 1780 - 1786, Page 92, Entry 16
Source: LDS Film 1656377

Baptisms: 9 Mar 1787 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Charlotte Jane Pye - Daughter of John Bridge Pye & Margaret Alice
Born: 9 Feb 1787
Abode: Cable street
Occupation: Musician
Register: Baptisms 1787, Page 163, Entry 163
Source: LDS Film 93833

Baptisms: 18 Aug 1788 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Bridge Pye - Son of John Bridge Pye & Margaret Alice
Born: 3 Aug 1788
Abode: Temple street
Occupation: Musician
Register: Baptisms 1788, Page 188, Entry 691
Source: LDS Film 93833

Baptisms: 28 Aug 1789 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Margaret Pye - Daughter of John Bridge Pye & Margaret Alice
Born: 3 Aug 1789
Abode: Temple street
Occupation: Musician
Register: Baptisms 1789, Page 207, Entry 720
Source: LDS Film 93833

Baptisms: 21 Jan 1791 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Edmund Pye - Son of John Bridge Pye & Margaret Alice, his Wife
Born: 19 Dec 1790
Abode: Temple lane
Occupation: Music Dealer
Register: Baptisms 1787 - 1792, Page 145, Entry 14
Source: LDS Film 1656377

Baptisms: 18 Jul 1792 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Margery Pye - daur. of John Bridge Pye & Margaret Alice Pye, his Wife
Born: 28 Jun 1792
Abode: Temple street
Occupation: Musician
Register: Baptisms 1792, Page 261, Entry 668
Source: LDS Film 93833

Baptisms: 2 Oct 1794 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Alexander James Pye - Son of John Bridge Pye & Margaret Alice (formerly Gibson), his Wife
Born: 5 Sep
Abode: Temple Street
Occupation: Musician
Register: Baptisms 1794 - 1795, Page 313, Entry 912
Source: LDS Film 93833

Baptisms: 22 Feb 1809 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Edmund Pye - Son of John Bridge Pye & Margaret (formerly Gibson), His Wife
Born: 3 Jul 1792
Abode: Temple St.
Occupation: Music Seller
Register: Baptisms 1809, Page 375, Entry 242
Source: LDS Film 93833

DO come back tyo us when you have the cert.

Dea Xxx

Can I firstly say a big ‘thank you’ to everyone who has replied.

I have only just, this last week, found out the date of death for Ann and so last night I sent off for the certificate…..hopefully it may give me a little more information.
Ann had a brother called Edmund, born 1790, and the death of John Bridge Pye in 1858 (see below)

Name: PYE, John Bridge
Registration district: Liverpool
County: Lancashire
Year of registration: 1858
Quarter of registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Volume no: 8B
Page no: 178

This is actually Edmund’s son….died the same year as Ann (his aunt)

I have added the complete gravestone wording:
Large upright sand-stone, round top, square shoulders. Sacred to the memory / of / Ann Clarissa MILTON, / daughter of the late John Bridge PYE, / died September 3rd 1858, / aged 76 years. / Daniel Butler WELLS, / died 22nd April 1865, aged 76. / Also Alexander James WELLS, / son of the above, / died 26th August 1891, aged 71. / Margaret Alice, / died 9th Decr 1866, aged 7 years, / Jessie Elizabeth, / died Easter Sunday 1868, aged 10 years. / Children of the above Alexander WELLS, / Jesus: called the children to himself / St Matt. XV111. Verse 2.

The name Wells meant nothing to me….never heard it mentioned by the Pye family….I will now look into finding the information with regard to Charlotte Jane Pye (Ann’s sister) marrying into the Wells family.

Have never heard mention of ……John Bridge Pye, late of Liverpool & Barbados….either!

Seems very strange that Ann and her husband seemed to disappear 'into an ether'

Many thanks, to you all, once again,


Elaine

Daniel Wells
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1790
Relation: Head
Gender: M (Male)
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Silas
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Mount Pleasant
ED, institution, or vessel: 1u
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 31
Piece: 2183
Folio: 111
Page Number: 7
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Wells 61
Margaret Stanford 25
Charlotte Lee 23
Elizabeth Wells 20
Charissa Stanford 5
Charles E Walles 21
Edward Coldceott 25

He is a widow, Charlotte Lee is the daughter whos death was reported in 1853 newspaper, Clarissa Stanford was the one reported in 1856, although I though the article said Hanford - image was poor.

Thank-you.
Still no sign of Ann C though- have we found Daniel in 1851?

Well spotted Patchem, I hadn't been able to find them in 1841 - but no Ann Clarissa though, and she wasn't with Daniel in 1851 either.

1841 England Census
Daniel Wells Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Gender: Male Where born: Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Liverpool Hundred: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Islington
Piece: 558 Book: 9 Folio: 18 Page Number: 30
Daniel Wells 45 officer ch railway??
Charlotte Wells 40
Alexr Wells 20
Thos Wells 20 mariner
Charlotte Wells 15
Margt Wells 15
Elizabeth Wells 13
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 558; Book: 9; Civil Parish: Liverpool; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 11; Folio: 18; Page: 30; Line: 12; GSU roll: 306940.

Deaths Jun 1904 (>99%)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

WELLS Elizabeth Ellliot 73 Toxteth Park 8b 139

Died 16/5/1904, at Upper Parliament street, spinster - effects £104 17s probate to Charles Edward Wells, insurance agent

Elizabeth Elliot Wells
gender: Female
baptism/christening date: 27 Jan 1828
baptism/christening place: St. Peter's, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
father's name: Daniel Wells
mother's name: Charlotte Jane
indexing project (batch) number: I02227-5 system origin: England-EASy
source film number: 93877 reference number: v 14 p 135

I think Charlotte Jane Wells died in 1847, but I haven't had any luck finding her or Daniel in 1841 to see if Ann Clarissa was with them.

So, just for reference:
1861 England Census
Daniel Butler Wells Age: 73 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1788
Relation: Head Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England Civil parish: West Derby County/Island: Lancashire Country: England
Street Address: 94 Clarence Street??
Occupation: pensioner royal navy
Registration district: West Derby Sub-registration district: West Derby
ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Household schedule number: 159 Piece: 2730 Folio: 109 Page Number: 29
Daniel Butler Wells 73 widower
Elizabeth Elliot Wells 38 dau
Rosa Palmer 33
Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 2730; Folio: 109; Page: 29; GSU roll: 543020.

Also
1861 England Census
Alexander Wells Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Isabella Wells
Gender: Male Where born: Liverpool Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Town: Liverpool County/Island: Lancashire Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Islington
ED, institution, or vessel: 36 Household schedule number: 15 Piece: 2696 Folio: 94 Page Number: 4
Alexander Wells 43
Isabella Wells 30
Mary Wells 11
Daniel Wells 9
Alexander Wells 7
Jessy Wells 3
Margeret Wells 1
Mary Davidson 49
John Wainwright 45
Source Citation: Class: RG 9; Piece: 2696; Folio: 94; Page: 4; GSU roll: 543014.

So, she was buried with her b-i-l Daniel Butler Wells (married to Charlotte Pye) and the D B Wells referred to in the newspaper obituary, and some of his children.

It may be worth trying to track Daniel through the 1841/51 census to see if Ann Clarrisa was with the family.

Description of Ann's headstone here.................

http://www.medialinkuk.co.uk/cemetery/?page_id=5332&paged=810

Gwyn

I see from Lancashireopc she had a number of siblings - these extracts fromLiverpool Mercury may be of interest:

17/1/1834 - Thurs 19th (drowned) on board the barque Brothers in Carmarthen Bay, John Bridge Wells, 20, grandson of the late John Bridge Pie, music seller of this town.

20/5/1853 - May 15 Gresford nr Wrexham, Charlotte Jane Lee (26) 2nd daughter of D B Wells & g/d of John Bridge Pye, late of Liverpool & Barbados

15/10/1856 - Oct 10, Clarrisa Ann Hanford, 11, at her grandfathers residence Erskine Street ggd of JBP, Esq, later of Liverpool & Barbados

Added - there is a will on national archives site 25/5/1814, which shows both Ann's parents were dead by then - extract:

Probate Copy of Will of Edmund Newman Kershaw of Heskin Hall, esq. -- to sister or reputed sister Charlotte Bamford £2000. To children of Margaret wife of John Bridge Pye of Liverpool, musician, both decd, £500.

The only possible I can find is on the 1851 census - age is out, but birth place correct:

Ann C Milton
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1795
Relation: Head
Gender: F (Female)
Where born: Walton on the Hill, Lancashire, England

Civil parish: Liverpool
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street Address: <<62 Lowther street

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Mount Pleasant
ED, institution, or vessel: 1h
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 168
Piece: 2182
Folio: 270
Page Number: 62
Household Members: Name Age
Ann C Milton 56 << widow, schoolmistress
Mary Ward 29 << house servant, born Warrington

If Sylvia is correct and there was a marriage break-up then she may have registered as a widow.

sleep well!



I wonder if there was a marriage break-up????????