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I am possession of the MC for Alice Lavina White

on her mc
Alice Lavina White is 35, Spinster, 10 Butcher Row. Father is Henry William deceas occupation looks like it is either boat maker, boot maker, boar maker.

Married on 01 May 1915 Coventry

1911 Census
13 Stewart Road , Bournemouth

George Henry Harding Aged 59 Green Grocer, born Dorchester
Alice aged 30 born in London
Louisa aged 24, Single Kitchen Miaid in boardhouse born Bournemouth
Frederick aged 8, born Bournemouth
Queenie aged 4, born Borunemouth
Harold Charles aged 4, born Bournemouth
Violet 2 and a half born Bournemmouth
Maragaret Smith, 25, Visitor, married, born Liverpool

Any help in finding Alice Lavina white on census records and her birth would be appreciated.

Thanks
Candis

Why do you think this is her in 1911?

Jude

I don't understand the significance of the 1911 you posted??

Prickles - snap!

This is the marriage Candis refers to

Marriages Jun 1915 (>99%)
Lacey Nicholas White Coventry 6d 1630
White Alice L Lacey Coventry 6d 1630

could this be a possible

1881 Census Household RecordHousehold Information
Address 80, Maidstone Street
Parish Shoreditch
District Shoreditch, Haggerston
Administrative County Middlesex

Householder 1
Name William White
Age 30
Estimated Year of Birth 1851
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Occupation Shoemaker
Birth Place London
Birth County Middlesex

Householder 2
Name Elizabeth White
Age 28
Estimated Year of Birth 1853
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Occupation
Birth Place London
Birth County Middlesex

Householder 3
Name William White
Age 10
Estimated Year of Birth 1871
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place London
Birth County Middlesex

Householder 4
Name Elizabeth White
Age 7
Estimated Year of Birth 1874
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place London
Birth County Middlesex

Householder 5
Name Alice White
Age 3
Estimated Year of Birth 1878
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place London
Birth County Middlesex
Householder 6

Name Henry White
Age 0
Estimated Year of Birth 1881
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Occupation Juvenile
Birth Place London
Birth County Middlesex

I have my husband Great Grandgather BC

Haorold Henry Harding

born 17 December 1906, 96 Stewart Road Christhcurch

Father George John Hardin mother Alice Lavina foremelry White

George and Alice never married

Alice married a Nicholas Lacey and then divorced him in 1933

You say that your husband's great grandfather is Harold Henry Harding, but on the 1911 that you posted he is Harold Charles.
Have you just copied over a name incorrectly, or is this as stated in the records?
Thank-you.

Added:
Do you know if this is her death?:
Alice L Lacey
Birth Date: abt 1880
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1962
Age at Death: 82
Registration district: Willesden
Inferred County: Middlesex
Volume: 5h
Page: 250

I have Harold Henry Hardings Birth certificate that has his mother and father on it.

The 1911 census above does seem to fit as he had a brother Frederick, sister Queenie and Violet according to Uncle George. Frederick was so called Actor in Bournemouth

Uncle George is the son of Harold Henry Harding.

The Birth record I have is correct for Harold. when you print the 1911 census off it states only Harold Harding on it but in Ancestry index it is listed as Harold Charles.

I do not know where she died. Nicholas and Alice were on the electrol roles together in Coventry till 1932 living with Harold and his wife and in 1933 Nicholas was on his own with them.

When you say that she divorced him, did an actual divorce go through, or did she just leave him?
I suppose either way if she started living with someone else she could have taken their surname whether through marriage or just by calling herself the new surname.

1911
HARDING, George Head Married M 56 1855 Green Grocery Barrow Dorchester
HARDING, Alice Wife F 30 1881 London
HARDING, Louisa Daughter Single F 24 1887 Kitchen Maid On Boarding House Bournemouth
HARDING, Frederick Son M 8 1903 Bournemouth
HARDING, Queenie Daughter M 7 1904 Bournemouth
HARDING, Harold Son M 4 1907 Bournemouth
HARDING, Violet Daughter F 2 1909 Bournemouth
SMITH, Margaret Visitor Married F 25 1886 Liverpool
RG number: RG14
Piece: 5862
Reference: RG14PN5862 RG78PN267 RD95 SD2 ED31 SN61
Registration District: Christchurch
Sub District: Bournemouth
Enumeration District: 31
Parish: Bournemouth
Address: 13 Stewart Road East Bournemouth
County: Hampshire

1901
TAYLOR, William Head Married M 36 1865 Coachman
Torquay, Devonshire
TAYLOR, Kate Wife Married F 30 1871
Salisbury, Wiltshire
HARDING, George Lodger Single M 23 1878 Fishmonger
HARDING, Samuel Lodger Single M 19 1882 Cellarman
Bournemouth, Hampshire
HARDING, James Lodger Single M 17 1884 Cellarman
Bournemouth, Hampshire
HARDING, William Lodger Single M 16 1885 Greengrocer
Bournemouth, Hampshire
PERRY, James Lodger Single M 18 1883 Blacksmith
North Stoneham, Hampshire
WARD, Charlotte Visitor Single F 30 1871 Milliner
Westbourne Park, London
Piece: 1041
Folio: 57
Page: 47
Registration District: Christchurch
Civil Parish: Bournemouth
Municipal Borough:
Address: 8, Stafford Road Wolverton Terrace, Bournemouth
County: Hampshire


1891
HARDING, George John Head Married M 37 1854 Fishmonger
Christchurch, Hampshire
HARDING, Emily Louisa Wife Married F 34 1857
Sherborne, Dorsetshire
HARDING, George Thomas Son M 14 1877 Errand Boy
Bournemouth, Hampshire
HARDING, Samuel William Son M 12 1879
Bournemouth, Hampshire
HARDING, James Henry Son M 9 1882
Bournemouth, Hampshire
HARDING, William Fred Son M 8 1883
Bournemouth, Hampshire
HARDING, Emily Louisa Daughter F 6 1885
Bournemouth, Hampshire
OLDEN, William Lodger Single M 36 1855 Painter
London, Middlesex
Piece: 904
Folio: 145
Page: 36
Registration District: Christchurch
Civil Parish: Holdenhurst
Municipal Borough: Bournemouth
Address: 2, Rye Cottages, Stewart Road, Holdenhurst, Bournemouth
County: Hampshire

(couldn't make out where Henry came from with George 1911!)

Chris :)

Just an obsevation on the 1911 census at 13 Stewart Road, Bournemoth

This return was signed by Alice Harding. She evidently filled in the form as the handwriting matches her signature. ( her written name on census return is identical to her signature)
She entered herself as 30yrs old
She states she was married 10yr, had 6 children with 5 still living.

There are 5 children on the census, but the eldest daughter Louisa Harding, is 24 yrs old and only 6 yrs her junior??

Was Louisa Harding George's child?
If so, he cannot be the man on the earlier census returns, as he is not old enough to be Louisa's father.

NB:
There is a transcription error on the Ancestry search re 4yr old Harold.
He us entered simply as Harold Harding age 4 and not as Harold Charles

(just looking at 1901 again Anne, think that must be Son George, with brothers!)

Chris :)

According to the National Archives it looks more like an application for annulment rather than a divorce:

Divorce Court File: 7651.
Appellant: Alice Lavinia Lacey otherwise Alice Lavinia White.
Respondent: Nicholas Lacey.
Type: Wife's petition for/of nullity [WN].
Covering dates 1933
Held by The National Archives, Kew
Legal status Public Record(s)
Language English

The Plot thickens.
10 Butcher Row Coventry ( address on 1915 marriage)
If Alice Lavinia White lived here, she must have been in service or something similar

This was a 5 roomed house and occupied by the same Italian family ( Podesta) from at least 1881 and the Podesta family were still living there at 1911
The head of household Lazarus Podesta died at this address in 1932

Just noticed on the original of that 1911 that the 10 years married, 6 children born and 5 still living was written by Alice against George's name. It appears to be the enumerator who has amended the details to relate to her. The info therefore may not be strictly accurate.

Hi I have applied for the divorce paperwork from the National Archives should recive that in the next 13 days.

The plot in deed does thincken as according to George it was the Lacey side I need to go up.

Yes I belive Louisa on the census is George first daughter from his wife with Emily Rogers by the looks of things.

And as Harolds BC states George John Harding on the BC and Alice Lavina formerly White I thought I was on the right track.

George John Harding = Emma Louise Rogers Sep Q 1877 Christchurch

1881
found George Harding 26y born Christchurch at 2 Lynton Road living with
James Rogers 23y and Joseph Rogers 21y
not found Emily/Emma yet

1861 Church St , St James Poole Dorset

George Harding born Dorchester 1855 parents George 1822 Willey Wilts horse keeper, and Ann 1821 Sherbourne

Mavis

Could Alice Lavinia Lacey gone back to being Alice Lavinia Harding ?? after 1933

death
Alice Lavinia Harding 91y Mar Q 1970 Bristol D of B 28 June 1878 ???


births Sep Q 1878 for Alice Lavinia

Cole / Barton R , Glous
Green / St Olave Ldn
Ling / Bethnal Gr Ldn
Treliving / Aston Warkwick

Mavis

Hi Mavis

The last I know of Alice Lavina is that she is at 50 St Margaret Coventry with her husband Nicholas Lacey in 1932.

In 1933 it is just her Husband Nicholas Lacey, son Harold and daugter in law who are at this adress.

Maybe the papers from the National Archives will shed some light on this.

Anything is possible.

So I am defianatley correct in going up George John Harding side.

Candis