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This thread is old but - better late than never.
If you're reading this Anne I'm your cousin I and think we met way back in the sixties before my family migrated to Australia in '68.
My name is Daniel Elmes, my fathers name was John Kendrick Elmes and my Grandmothers name was Eva Blanche Attwood / Wells / Elmes / Alger and maybe even Gvott. Although my father has dismissed past attempts at discussing it, most of us Elmes kids (6) have been of the understanding that our nan had our father out of wedlock and was shipped off to India. My mother once told me his fathers name was Wells. She also told me that at around 15 years old he was devastated to learn from his dying father (cancer I think) that he was not his biological father - which fits with the above death records of Arthur Elmes. So it appears that my father travelled to india, at the tender age of one, as John Alexander Attwood and returned to England in his early teens as John Kendrick Elmes.
Anne. I think our parents may have been half brother / sister. I have a vague memory of my Aunty Joan (your mum for other readers) being an Elmes but not my dad. And last of all, just to add another layer, my dads nickname during WW 2 was Darky and I have been mistaken for a number of mixed race backgrounds for most of my life. There's photo of me and nana taken in the early sixties in Birmingham. If I can get it up you'll see what I mean.

Hello Anne, based on what myself and the others have posted I think Eva's marriage to Frederick Algar was actually her third!

I do wish we could find out more for you about her first marriage.

As I said earlier I think Arthur George Elmes may have passed the name of Kendrick to Eva's son even though he wasn't biologically his.

Anne,

There's no birth for a John K Attwood and John was born before the marriage to George Elmes so Kendrick must have been added as a middle name later.

Rose

thank you to everyone who has answered my post and although i find it quite confusing a lot of it is true...yes Brummieja the marriage between eva elmes and frederick Alger is correct this was her second marriage thank you for reminding me,alviegal thank you to for your input all details for the 1911 census are for my nan's familly ,but the boat trip confuses me she would have been a "miss" if still an Attwood and yes her son would have been 1 yrs old but his middle name is definately kendrick...it's a familly name .i can only guess if she was an unmarried mum in those days she may have travelled as a "mrs". i shall now look into finding more about arthur george elmes as this looks promising too although i dont know about the name "WELLS". but again THANK YOU all for your help.i am very new at this and didnt even think about getting my mothers marriage certifcate to check that . :-)

Just checked FMP and I don't see the first marriage. Same the thread about the Daily Mail offer so was able to look myself.

Rose

My personal thought is that Arthur George Elmes bestowed the name of Kendrick on John Alexander Attwood as a form of acceptance, even though he may not have been his biological father.

It appears his younger brother died in infancy so it may have been his way of perpetuating the Kendrick middle name as he didn't have a natural son of his own.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
Name: Albert Edward Elmes
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1889
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: London City
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 29

Point taken Rose, but either way the name Kendrick has been used so it must be the right marriage - interesting that he would have this name if not Arthur's son though!
Jan

Not sure it was "their" son as he was born before both marriages.

Can't see an Edwin Wells with father Andrew on census records.

Wonder if John A W was John Andrew Wells Attwood?

Rose

1891 England Census

Name: Arthur G Elmes
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Arthur K Elmes
Mother's Name: Lydia Elmes
Gender: Male
Where born: London City

Civil parish: St Nicholas Olave
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas Olave
Town: London City
County/Island: London

Registration district: London City
Sub-registration district: Allhallows Barking

Arthur K Elmes 31
Lydia Elmes 21
Arthur G Elmes 2
Jno W King 17

Name: Arthur Kendrick Elmes
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1897
Age at Death: 37
Registration district: London City
Inferred County: London
Volume: 1c
Page: 28

Obviously right - note Arthur's father has middle name kendrick, same as their son:

groom's name: Arthur George Elmer
groom's birth date: 1890

groom's age: 33
bride's name: Eva Blanche Wells
bride's birth date: 1899

bride's age: 24
marriage date: 08 Mar 1923
marriage place: Karachi, Bombay, India
groom's father's name: Arthur Kendrick Elmer
groom's mother's name:
bride's father's name: Frank Leopold Attwood

bride's marital status: Widowed
bride's previous husband's name:
indexing project (batch) number: M00212-3
system origin: India-EASy
source film number: 527693

Perhaps someone with FMP access could find the marriage?

Rose

No Rose, there's no Gvotts anywhere.

Is there any stretch of the imagination it could be a mis-transcription of Wells - the name she married under in 1923. I do think it's possible when I look at it.

EDIT: I've scribbled and managed to write the name of Wells looking exactly like Gvott!

Have to wonder about the spelling of Gvott. Not seeing much on Ancestry for that surname.

Rose

Look at his father's middle name on this baptism, we seem to have a connection:

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906
Name: Arthur George Elmes
Record Type: Baptism
Birth Date: 08 Oct 1888
Baptism Date: 10 Nov 1889
Father's Name: Arthur Kenrick Elmes - Eating House Keeper
Mother's Name: Lydia Elmes
Parish or Poor Law Union: St James Garlickhithe
Borough: City of London
Register Type: Parish Registers

Baptised the same day was his brother Albert Edward, born 17 Oct 1889.

Their address looks like no 4A Huggen Lane.

Wonder if this is him?

British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription

First name(s): Arthur George
Last name: ELMES
Calculated year of birth: 1888
Parish of birth: Westminster
Town of birth: London
County of birth: Middlesex
Age at attestation: 18 years 1 months
Attestation date: 20 November 1906
Attestation corps: 7TH BN RIFLE BRIGADE
Attestation soldier number: 8712
Discharge rank:
Discharge corps: Rifle Brigade (Prince Consort's Own)
Discharge soldier number:

The National Archives reference: WO96 / 1250 / 336

This is the only other birth for an Elmes in that time period.

Armed Forces registration event: Birth
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Name: ELMES, Sybil E
Mother's maiden name: Not available before 1966
Station: Karachi
Country: Indian Subcontinent
Year: 1921

Looks like there'd been another change of name along the way:

Armed Forces registration event: Marriage

Name: ELMES, Arthur G
Place: Karachi
Country: Indian Subcontinent
Year: 1923
Page: 152
Spouse's last name: Wells
Record source: GRO Index Army Marriages (1881 to 1955)

Name: WELLS, Eva B
County: Indian Subcontinent
Year: 1923
Page 152
Spouse's last name Elmes
Record source: GRO Index Army Marriages (1881 to 1955)

That ties in with the death for Arthur G posted above.

Is this the birth of the Posters mum?????? Pity she didnt say her name

Name: ELMES, Joan M
Mother's name: Not available before 1966
Station : Jubbulpore
Country: Indian Subcontinent
Year: 1923
Page: 293
Record source: GRO Army Birth Indices (1881 to 1965)

George