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Me again I'm not sure of anything with this as the dates don't tally - I think its a can of worms!

Amelia Joliffe was my great great Aunt and a Duance at birth. My mother remembers her boys but not the father. Are you at all interested in the Duance side of things? I find it fascinating that William Jolliffes Mother was Ellen T Duance and then he married her niece Amelia. Not sure whose daughter Ellen was though nor what the T stands for she was born in 1864.
happy to help in any way I can.

kind regards

Ann (Myrtle Ann Williams)

The family were/are from the St Clether/Lewannick area of Cornwall and were mostly farm labourers, and the William Jolliffe 1891 was born in St Clether and a farm waggoner.

I need to have a look at naming patterns and try and reduce the options further. The 1886 William was a Mason, and this one is unlikely to be the right man.

T x

Reggie,

Did you mean Invaluable?

Having just done an open search on William Jolliffe's these are the only William's in Cornwall in 1891.

JOLLIFFE, William 1861 30 M Stratton Cornwall
-->>JOLLIFFE, William 1886 5 M Stratton Cornwall
JOLLIFFE, William 1843 48 M Launceston Cornwall

EDIT:

Add this one too in 1901 :-(

JOLLIFFE, William 1860 41 M Stratton Cornwall
JOLLIFFE, William 1886 15 M Stratton Cornwall
-->>JOLLIFFE, William 1891 10 M Camelford Cornwall

...a second contender :-(

Going to hang fire on a CRO lookup, if that fails then it'll have to be a marriage cert jobbie :-(


T x

Can't agree...............the cert is available

I have the details on the children born of this marriage.

This William is just being a very very difficult man!!!!

Grrrrrr :-|

T x

Sorry MC I didnt reload the page so missed your post :-(

Well...... i looked at the 1882 one and have spent a lot of time on it... that particular William does not appear on any Census.... and i also believe the child did not survive.

T x

well theres this one that fits but its still speculation without knowing his age on the cert. Unless he lied of course!!

Name: William Jolliffe
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1882
Registration district: Launceston
Inferred County: Cornwall
Volume: 5c
Page: 18

Edit: nope he died as a baby
Name: William Jolliffe
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1882
Age at Death: 0
Registration district: Launceston
Inferred County: Cornwall
Volume: 5c
Page: 12

According to an undocumented and unsourced tree on ancestry, William Jolliffe was born 1882 Launceston.

A son Leonard is listed, born 1923.

Only 1882 birth I can see seems to be followed by a death straight afterwards.

Yeah, we'll probably order the cert over the coming weeks.... it was just an ask that's all.

There are a few conflicting tree's with details on.... and i am very reluctant to take them on 'face value' as the area they come from the name is very common :-\

One day i will get an easy one :-S

T x

Think your friend needs to pay out for at least the marriage cert :-D

As the tree is your friend's, any expenditure should be down to him/her, and would surely be worthwhile to get the facts about him........assuming he was truthful, of course.

This could be the one whose death Shirley posted


1891 England Census

Name: William Jolliffe
Age: 9 Months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Thomas E Jolliffe
Mother's Name: Ellen T Jolliffe
Gender: Male
Where born: St Clether, Cornwall, England
Civil parish: Charles
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
Town: Plymouth
County/Island: Devon
Country: England


Registration district: Plymouth
Sub-registration district: Charles
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1729
Folio: 90
Page Number: 41
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas E Jolliffe 23
Ellen T Jolliffe 25
William Jolliffe 9 Months

William it appears was a very strange character and very little was known about him, he seemed to drift in and out of the marriage.

All the old school regs here know i'm a certs freak (like the rest of them) however this is a friend's tree, and i'm reluctant to spend any cash right now. This is why i was looking to see if someone was going to the Cornish RO soon?

The Cornish OPC has been a very useful tool upto now, however William appears to keep the anomaly going by not being on the parish records for where i excepted to find him!

T x

There are several William Jolliffes on 1901 and 1911censuses in Cornwall..........so no way of knowing which could be correct.....and, as you know, guessing isn't advisable

depending on his birth year could this be him?
Name: William Jolliffe
Birth Date: abt 1891
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1944
Age at Death: 53
Registration district: Launceston
Inferred County: Cornwall
Volume: 5c
Page: 17

maybe again!!


Births Sep 1890
Jolliffe William Camelford 5c 11

Without the cert, there is no way of even guessing at when William was born.............unless you know when he died, and can make a deduction

so was he still around when she died?

Name: Amelia Jolliffe
Birth Date: 12 Apr 1890
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1972
Age at Death: 82
Registration district: Plymouth
Inferred County: Devon
Volume: 7a
Page: 1830

Have you got the cert for his age and fathers name ?