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Daniel I sent you my personal email attached to notification on my other family thread. Look forward to hearing from you.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1309931

Daniel, why not click on Cheryl's name to send her a direct message and she'll be notified that you're trying to contact her.

Hi, I am curious about the similair names you have in your post.
My ancestors were named Donald and Hill on my grandfathers side.
My g-grandfather was named Arthur R Hill born after the 1911 census in September... I believe he had a sister named Lilian who partnered a black man and then moved to grangetown. They had a son born in the 1930s... If this comes to any recollection please contact me!!

Cheryl

The births....this is "Norman"

Births Sep 1916 (>99%)
Hill Albert N H Donald Cardiff 11a 608 - no mention of Clark or Smith!

The fact that she uses Donald as her maiden name perhaps shows she didn't quite understand what information was needed!

I think you should ignore the Clark thing altogether, although it would be nice to find out why/where. I think the witness at her marriage to John Thomas I Clark might have been something to do with it - maybe her mother?

So I would concentrate on trying to trace Thomas though as it is so common and you don't know his wife's name :-(

So the John Thomas in 1881 census died in December 1881 and the John Thomas who married your grandmother was their second child named John Thomas

1881

Name: John Donald
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret Donald
Gender: Male
Where born: Warrington, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Llanidloes
County/Island: Montgomeryshire
Country: Wales
Street Address: Browns Yard
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: Tailor
Registration district: Newtown
Sub-registration district: Upper Llanidloes
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5480
Folio: 21
Page Number: 9
Household Members:
Name Age
John Donald 31
Margaret Donald 37
Mary J. Donald 5
John Thomas Donald 3

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and this is John Thomas in 1891


Name: John Thomas Donald
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Donald
Mother's Name: Margaret Donald
Gender: Male
Where born: Bleanllecha, Glamorgan, Wales
Civil parish: Aberdare
Ecclesiastical parish: Aberdare
Town: Fforchaman
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Merthyr Tydfil
Sub-registration district: Aberdare
ED, institution, or vessel: 27
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 4445
Folio: 115
Page Number: 23
Household Members:
Name Age
John Donald 39
Margaret Donald 41
John Thomas Donald 5

No Mary in 1891, 1901 or 1911 - or at least no Mary at home.

This is Elias in 1901 - Elias J in original as opposed to John as I posted in 1911


Name: John Donald
Age in 1901: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1852
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margerett Donald
Gender: Male
Where born: Waesington, Lancashire, England
Civil parish: Wenvoe
Ecclesiastical parish: Wenvoe
Town: Wenvoe
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales
Street Address: View image
Condition as to marriage: View image
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: View image
Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: St Nicholas
ED, institution, or vessel: 29
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 70
Piece: 4996
Folio: 130
Page Number: 13
Household Members:
Name Age
John Donald 49
Margerett Donald 51
John T Donald 15
Elias T Donald 2

Rosina is - according to GRO index - a Hill when marrying Richard Morgan.

Found a tree on the gene's reunited site that linked in with my Rosina Hill, so have managed to add several family members to my tree.

Still confused re- ancestery of Richard Morgan, so have followed one of the suggestions - which was to order his marriage cert. Can't wait to see if Rosina is a CLARK or a SMITH on this cert!

Still no joy finding any info on Mary Jane Donald (she was Rosina's sister-in-law and sister to John Thomas Donald.

The last info I have on her is a baptism record for her son Elias John Edward Donald in Twynyrodyn. Elias ends up living with his grandparents John and Margaret Donald (Marieceleste found the 1911 census for that). He also appears on the 1901 census but his mother (Mary Jane) is not on either census. Family rumours are that she married. I found a marriage for a Mary Jane to an Arthur Hill in 1901 but that Mary J was from Scotland. It seems as though my Mary Jane Donald just disappeared! If anyone has any search tips or any info concerning Mary Jane I would be really grateful.

Thank you for all the help so far-amazing

Rose's birth date is def 2nd April but have no def record of the year.

I was thinking along the same lines re- there possibly being a second marriage from CLARK to SMITH. I haven't been able to find a Smith family in Ely on census at all. I have found a Clark family in 1901 - head of house a Sidney and there is a Rose in the house aged 10...still not sure how that ties in though

Thank you Ann...I will check it out

Cheryl, the GRO indices for her second and third marriages show her marrying in her previous married name - no mention of clark whatsoever. i.e. Rosina Donald when marrying Albert and Rosina Hill when marrying Richard.

You really need to get one or both of these certificates which are posted earlier and see what she gives her father's name as.

MY guess is that her father was Thomas Smith and, if the birth date on the death notice was correct, she was born the day before the 1891 census. But I can't find her in 1891 or 1901. And then I am guessing at some point her father died and her mother remarried Mr Clark so she was known as Clark which is why she uses it on the biorth certificates

I think the tree you guys have been looking at on Ancestry is my family tree.
Made a mistake about the 2nd and 3rd marriages...she isn't coming up as Clark on them!!! She is coming up as Clark on Vera Nellie, Albert Norman Henry and Joan's birth certs. I know I'm tracing the same person as Nellie, Norman and Joan are all my great aunts and uncles - and their sister lillian Maud was my grandmother- unfortunately they have all died so not possible to check anything out with them :-(

onlt know if this is helpful but I have Kelly's Directory for Cardiff 1970 and in Cowbridge Road West, Ely, which is an extremely long road there is only one Smith - Michael C Smith, 349 Cowbridge Road West

Wow...I can' believ how many replies I've had to my request for help! Overwhelmed.
Where to start... I always believe my greatGran Rose was 19 when she married and 92 when she died. But the only records I can find are the one's you guys have found...and they show her as being 16/17 when she married and 88 when she died. The death record is def correct as I visited her grave at Thornhill and she is buried with my aunt Joan. Rosina (or Rose as she appears on some certs) was married 3 times & widowed twice to my knowledge. First to John Thomas Donald (he died in 1909 stomach cancer-I have the death cert) and her second husband (Albert Hill died in the 1st world war) her 3rd husband was Richard Morgan but I don't have any info on him.
The difficulty I'm having is finding Rose/Rosina's ancestors as she appears as Rose SMITH on her wedding cert to my g.grandfather (John Thomas Donald) and also on my grandmother's birth cert but Rose/Rosina is coming up as a CLARK on her death cert and 2nd and 3rd marriages. The father on her first marriage cert is Thomas Smith and he was a labourer.
I haven't been able to find a Smith family on the census who lived in the Ely Cowbridge Road area of Cardiff (Rose's birth place a stated on wedding cert

Cheryl do you have her marriage certificate to Albert or Richard?Just wondered who her father was shown as.

You say her maiden name on the marriage certificate to Richard in 1919 was Clark - the GRo index indicates she married him as Hill. So where are you getting this info from?

Jude

mmm...we seem to have a range from 1890 to 1892 but I can't find a birth that matches at all!

... or she fibbed about her age on marriage!