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MarieCeleste
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2 Sep 2012 14:50 |
I think there is an error on the birth year on this record:
British Army Service Records 1760-1915 Transcription
First name(s): Alexander Last name: BARBER Calculated year of birth: 1856 < No, this is wrong! Parish of birth: Nova Scotia Town of birth: Nova Scotia County of birth: North America Age at attestation: 21 years 6 months Attestation date: 9 December 1877 NO! - that's the date he was discharged!! Attestation corps: Attestation soldier number: Discharge rank: Corporal Discharge corps: 4th Battn 60th Of Royal Rifles Discharge soldier number: 387
The National Archives reference: WO97 / 1880 / 151
The record gives details of his service from 1857 to 1877 so no way was he born 1856!
He'd served for 21 years including 2.5 in Cephalonia, 1.5 in Gibraltar, 1.5 in the Crimea and 4 years in Canada.
His trade had been a musician and upon discharge December 1877 he was going to 4 Pimlico Road, London.
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GlasgowLass
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2 Sep 2012 14:52 |
Alexander Barber, the lodger from the 1911 census died soon after. As luck would have it.... NO will or Probate!
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915 about Alexander Barber Name: Alexander Barber Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836 Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1911 Age at Death: 75 Registration district: Lambeth Inferred County: London Volume: 1d Page: 312 (click to see others on page)
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vonniekatjak
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2 Sep 2012 14:55 |
I think Mrs A. J is indeed Alfred James Wife or widow . And the Alfred and Nellie are the nephew and wife.
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MarieCeleste
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2 Sep 2012 15:02 |
I think this might be Alexander jnr in 1861 - the occupation of the chap at the top looks like Corporal and it's been dittoed down the list:
1861 Census of Canada Name: Alexander Barber Gender: Male Age: 24 Birth Year: 1837 Birthplace: Canada East Marital Status: Single Home in 1861: Ottawa, Carleton, Canada West Religion: Chatolick Household Members: Name Age Alexander Barber 24
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vonniekatjak
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2 Sep 2012 16:49 |
I have found an Alfred J. Born Canada 1843. Married to Eleanor..... Nellie! ( Ipswich)
So I think this is the couple mentioned in the funeral piece.
1891 Census
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vonniekatjak
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2 Sep 2012 17:12 |
Oh! I've just read back and Flip had already come to this conclusion :-S
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Quoy
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2 Sep 2012 22:07 |
The Ipswich Journal (Ipswich, England), Saturday, April 26, 1873; Issue 7106
Barber Clarke 22nd St Mathews Church Ipswich Alfred James Barber 10 Willoughby Villas to Eleanor Mary eldest daughter of H Clarke esq St . Mathews Lodge Norwich Road
SERIOUS CHARGES BEFORE THE IPSWICH BOROUGH BENCH . The Essex Standard, West Suffolk Gazette, and Eastern Counties' Advertiser (Colchester, England), Saturday, December 25, 1880; pg. 8; Issue 2611. 19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II.
Alfred James Barber head clerk and cashier at Cliff Brewery was charged with embezzling £10 Barber pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 6months
The Ipswich Journal (Ipswich, England), Saturday, April 6, 1872; Issue 6994. Jones Barber 3rd inst at St Margarets Church Ipswich The Rev T Melville Jones B.A. of Llantrisant Glamorganshire to Susie youngest daughter of Mr. Alec C Barber of Ipswich
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SylviaInCanada
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2 Sep 2012 22:29 |
Just one note re how to address married women, widows
Up until the 1960s, etiquette manuals dictated that a married woman should be referred to by her husband's name or initials ...............
.... this applied whether she was with him, or attending an event without him
so Mrs A J Barber is the wife of A. J. Barber, and the way that newspaper report is phrased, with a comma between Alex Barber and Mrs A J, indicates that she is NOT Alex's wife
"Deceased's son Alec Barber, Mrs A J Barber" ( daughter in law)"
The etiquette for widows differed slightly ........ most people still referred to them with the husband's initials, but it was almost equally correct to refer to them by their own initials.
I can remember having very elderly female friends and relatives in the 1960s and 70s who were very upset when they received letters addressed to Mrs Edith Smith ............ they were so used to being Mrs J A Smith!
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GlasgowLass
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2 Sep 2012 22:47 |
Sylvia, That's what I thought, although I didn't phrase it correctly before!
I remember it now, if a woman was referred to with her own christian name plus her married name, it meant that..... she was widowed!
If AJ were her own initials she was widowed. If AJ were her husband's initials, she was married
In relation to the article re Alfred and Nellie, that info was evidently gleaned from the wreath that they sent
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vonniekatjak
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3 Sep 2012 23:11 |
Thank you so much for the extra info , I've updated loads of info.
Just to recap the article. We think it was Alec , Alfred's wife? attending.
The flowers from Alfred and Nellie.
The eldest son bit .... a mistake?
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vonniekatjak
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3 Sep 2012 23:16 |
Also Quoy? Could I ask is that a typo on the info of Alfred James Clarke?
Should it be Barber?
Thanks again.
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mgnv
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4 Sep 2012 05:15 |
This is the 1861 MC gave - the last page is essentially blank (as usual).
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1861/pdf/4108498_01560.pdf http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1861/pdf/4108498_01561.pdf
I think Joseph is a Carpenter, and it's not dittoed down the list. There do seem to be ditto marks (") next to his 15 y.o. daur, but they're not like the definite ditto marks in the religion & pob cols. NB Canada East=Quebec
Here's what FS makes of the 3 families (see col 34) - it's quite faint in places:
name: Alexander Barber event: Census event date: 1861 event place: Ottawa, Carleton, Ontario, Canada enumeration district: 01 gender: Male age: 24 marital status: Single religion: Chatolick birthplace: Canada E estimated birth year: 1837 sheet number: 134 line number: 5 library and archives canada film number: C-1099-1100 film number: 0390238 digital folder number: 4108498 image number: 01560 Source Citation "Ontario Census, 1861," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/MQ73-GKV : accessed 04 Sep 2012), Alexander Barber, Ottawa, Carleton, Ontario, Canada.
line number: 1 name: Joseph Barker age: 53 Married birthplace: St Wustmah line number: 2 name: Milina Barker age: 15 Single birthplace: St Wustmah line number: 3 name: Mi?O?Hia Barker age: 6 Single birthplace: Ottawa line number: 4 name: John Barber age: 26 Single birthplace: Canada E line number: 5 name: Alexander Barber age: 24 Single birthplace: Canada E line number: 6 name: Joseph age: 22 Single birthplace: Canada E line number: 7 name: Mattie age: 50 Married birthplace: Canada E line number: 8 name: Albert age: 11 Single birthplace: Canada E line number: 9 name: *Bert age: 25 Single birthplace: Canada E
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Quoy
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4 Sep 2012 06:55 |
Yes typo Barber was a clerk have amended it
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Quoy
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4 Sep 2012 07:28 |
this must be a relative
The Ipswich Journal (Ipswich, England), Saturday, June 23, 1866; Issue 6634
Death Barber 15th inst aged 42 after a lingering affliction Emily Plamplin the beloved wife of Mr. Samuel Crickett Barber, Tavern Street and only daughter of Mr.Samuel Hone Faiers Queen Street Ipswich
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Quoy
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4 Sep 2012 07:48 |
http://ifhf.rootsireland.ie/quis.php?page=1&confirmPageView=Y
Action Cost Source Surname First Name Year County 25 credits Church Baptism Barber Amelia 1833 Co. Limerick
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vonniekatjak
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4 Sep 2012 11:15 |
Thanks Quoy you're a star! Yes I found Samuel Crickett last night , I agree he must be a brother , I now know their father was Samuel as well.
The Amelia Baptism, the site is queering my email........ You don't know if there was Mother's maiden name on that? I believe it has her as Eleanor, Catholic for Helen.
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Quoy
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4 Sep 2012 18:10 |
sorry but to view it you have to buy credits
have you got this baptism
Try adding more search terms to improve your search results. Samuel Crickett Barber England, Births and Christenings, 1538-1975 christening: 27 Dec 1820 ST CLEMENT,?IPSWICH,?SUFFOLK,?ENGLAND parents: Samuel Barber,? Mary name: Samuel Crickett Barber gender: Male baptism/christening date: 27 Dec 1820 baptism/christening place: ST CLEMENT,IPSWICH,SUFFOLK,ENGLAND father's name: Samuel Barber mother's name: Mary indexing project (batch) number: C13165-2 system origin: England-ODM source film number: 918505
this also from igi sorry if it has already been posted
Amelia Barber Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881 christening: 17 Mar 1833 CATHEDRAL ST MARY,?LIMERICK,?LIMERICK,?IRELAND parents: Alexander Barber,? Eleanor name: Amelia Barber gender: Female baptism/christening date: 17 Mar 1833 baptism/christening place: CATHEDRAL ST MARY,LIMERICK,LIMERICK,IRELAND father's name: Alexander Barber mother's name: Eleanor indexing project (batch) number: C70056-1 system origin: Ireland-ODM source film number: 0897365 IT 9
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