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Lucy
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24 Aug 2012 01:48 |
My husband appears to be the last surviving Overens on the planet despite my best efforts to find another branch of the family tree. His mother is still living but she was not born an Overens. I have traced the Overens family line back to Matthias Overens b.1800 in Lancashire. I think I have exhausted all branches of the tree that originate from him. I do not know what to do next but felt it was an intriguing situation possibly interesting to genealogists. Or maybe not?! My request is for help to confirm or refute the claim that Richard Alexander Overens is the last of his line (we do not have any children). Many thanks for any help in this matter, Lucy Bickley
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jax
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24 Aug 2012 01:53 |
John in 1939 was the last one before him, was that his father?
Ok checked so since 1908 there have only been three births for that surname....those being him, his father and grandfather
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24 Aug 2012 01:59 |
My paternal name is unusual and only one gt uncle had boys that went on to produce males...have since found out he was illigitimate :-(
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24 Aug 2012 02:13 |
Cannot see a birth for this one
Household transcription 1911 census Printer friendly version Report transcription change Search criteria used Person: OVERENS, Richard Herbert Address: 87 Crescent Road Crumpsall OVERENS, Richard Ernest Head Married9 years M 38 1873 Postman Manchester England VIEW OVERENS, Alice Wife F 28 1883 Stretford Lancs England VIEW >>>>OVERENS, Richard Herbert Son M 8 1903 School Harpirkey Manchester Eng VIEW
Mistranscribed thats why
Births Mar 1903 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Overend Richard Herbert Prestwich 8d 451
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Lucy
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24 Aug 2012 03:43 |
Dear Jax, Thanks for your help so far! Yes, father John b 1939, (only child) Grandfather John b 1908 (no male siblings) G grandfather Matthias b 1869 (no male siblings) Gg grandfather John b 1843 (brother who died aged 4, brother James b. 1845 who had son Harold b 1882 but I think Harold had no male issue) Ggg grandfather Matthias b 1800 (no info on siblings or parents)
Very interesting about Richard Herbert Overens or Overend (my suspicion is the surname has been mistranscribed somewhere along the line...).
How are you able to see the records so easily? I am having to pay to look up rcords from 1911 census!
Many thanks again, Lucy
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jax
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24 Aug 2012 03:52 |
The births I found on freebmd
http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
Have full access to Find my past and Ancestry
I looked at all the Overens on the 1911 and as you know there were none born after 1908 until 1939
Household OVERENS, Alice 1883 28 F Prestwich Lancashire VIEW VIEW **** Household OVERENS, Alice Ann 1885 26 F Oldham Lancashire VIEW VIEW Household OVERENS, Alice Mary 1907 4 F Oldham Lancashire VIEW VIEW Household OVERENS, Edith 1873 38 F Oldham Lancashire VIEW VIEW Household OVERENS, Edith Lawton 1878 33 F Oldham Lancashire VIEW VIEW Household OVERENS, Eliza Bertha 1878 33 F Oldham Lancashire VIEW VIEW Household OVERENS, Harold Whitehead 1882 29 M Oldham Lancashire VIEW VIEW Household OVERENS, John 1843 68 M Oldham Lancashire VIEW VIEW Household OVERENS, John Lawton 1909 2 M Oldham Lancashire VIEW VIEW Household OVERENS, Marjorie Esther 1905 6 F Oldham Lancashire VIEW VIEW Household OVERENS, Mary 1845 66 F Oldham Lancashire VIEW VIEW Household OVERENS, Matthias 1869 42 M Oldham Lancashire VIEW VIEW Household OVERENS, Richard Ernest 1873 38 M Prestwich Lancashire VIEW VIEW **** Household OVERENS, Richard Herbert 1903 8 M Prestwich Lancashire VIEW VIEW ****
**** mistranscribed
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jax
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24 Aug 2012 04:34 |
Have you tried using https://familysearch.org/
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Lucy
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24 Aug 2012 05:25 |
Dear Jax, Thanks! As you can see, they are mostly women and I do have a record of all the men apart from the two who were mistranscribed. Harold Whitehead was my best bet for an heir and I know he married in 1906 to a girl named Alice yet don't know if they had any issue. They didn't in the 1911 census have anyone living with them then. He then went to WWI and I have lost track of him after that. Don't think he died but not sure what did happen... It's intriguing - is it very common do you think to have literally the LAST of a surname? Lucy
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24 Aug 2012 05:47 |
I think you could be the last Overens
here is Harold
England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006 about Harold W Overens Name: Harold W Overens Birth Date: abt 1882 Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1952 Age at Death: 70 Registration district: Oldham Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 10f Page: 73 England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966 about Harold Whitehead Overens Name: Harold Whitehead Overens Probate Date: 4 Sep 1952 Death Date: 14 Jul 1952 Death Place: Oldham Registry: Manchester, England Died 14 july 1952 of 145 Acre lane Oldham died Boundary Park General Hospital and left £1285 2s 2d to his widow Alice Ann
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24 Aug 2012 05:51 |
Household transcription Person: OVERENS, Harold Whitehead Address: 180 Acre Lane Oldham OVERENS, Harold Whitehead Head Married M 29 1882 Textile Machine Fitter Lanc Oldham VIEW OVERENS, Alice Ann Wife Married5 years F 26 1885 Lanc Manchester VIEW OVERENS, Alice Mary Daughter F 4 1907 Lanc Manchester VIEW
only one child
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Lucy
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24 Aug 2012 07:50 |
Dear Jax, You are a super star! Don't know how you found all the death details but glad he lived to a good age. Just sorry he didn't have any sons! Currently following leads in Sweden, Canada & Illinois as a result of your advice. Many thanks, Lucy
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24 Aug 2012 10:16 |
This is so interesting - I'm not quick off the mark copying records
There are Overens in strange places
OVERENS Kay Alexandra Nigeria 1968
Knowing the country very well you will probably find an Overens went to Nigeria when the gold mining started and more than likely married a local.
Ship RAWALPINDI
John OVERENS 1908
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1931 London to Tangier Morocco
Matthais OVERENS 1869
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1931 London to Tangier Morocco UK address 65 Orme street Oldham
:-)
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Lucy
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24 Aug 2012 11:02 |
Dear NanaSue, Thanks for taking an interest! Kay is my husband's sister but came back to the UK to marry! I just saw today that John (son) and Matthias (father) took a trip in 1931 but I thought they were coming back from Bombay. Is this the same trip or the outgoing leg? I'm guessing they both missed the 1931 census if they were overseas... Many thanks, Lucy Bickley
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Janice
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24 Aug 2012 11:15 |
Alot of Overens in Oldham and I've just seen that there's an Overens Street in Oldham. Is it named after someone in the family?
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Janice
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24 Aug 2012 11:17 |
Harold's medal card is on Ancestry
Overens H W Duke of Lancaster's Own Yeomanry 110242 Serjeant
British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 about Harold W Overens Name: Harold W Overens Regiment or Corps: D of Lanc D Yeo, D of Lanc D Yeo Regimental Number: 2793, 110242
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Janice
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24 Aug 2012 11:19 |
His army papers are in WW1 pension records. PM me if you'd like the images.
He fought in Egypt and caught malaria.
Address given is Acre Lane Oldham
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Potty
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24 Aug 2012 11:51 |
Have you seen this baptism (from familysearch): Matthias Overens Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date:
22 Feb 1805 Baptism/Christening Place:
CATHEDRAL,MANCHESTER,LANCASHIRE,ENGLAND Birth Date: Birthplace: Death Date: Name Note: Race: Father's Name:
Richard Overens Father's Birthplace: Father's Age: Mother's Name: Elisabeth Mother's Birthplace: Mother's Age: Indexing Project (Batch) Number:
C00546-9 System Origin:
England-ODM Source Film Number: 443328
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Janice
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24 Aug 2012 11:53 |
Any idea who this chap is?
Name: William J Overens Age: 47 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893 Gender: Male Race: White Birthplace: Canada English Marital Status: Single Relation to Head of House: Christion Brother Home in 1940: New York, Bronx, New York View Map Street: Spuyten Duyvil Parkway House Number: 4513 Inferred Residence in 1935: Canada Residence in 1935: Canada Citizenship: Alien Sheet Number: 10B
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Janice
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24 Aug 2012 11:55 |
There's another US hit for 1900 census but I haven't got worldwide membership to view it
Record Darlene Owens [Darkos Overens] city, Fayette, Tennessee
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Potty
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24 Aug 2012 11:56 |
lan-opc has this marriage:
Marriage: 5 Nov 1800 St Mary, Oldham, Lancashire, England Richard Overens, this Parish - Skinner of this Parish Betty Mellor - Spinster of this Parish Witness: John Mellor; Ralph Jackson; Nathan Worthington Married by Banns by: Thos. Fawcett Register: Marriages 1782 - 1802, Page 530, Entry 1595 Source: LDS Film 1656117
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