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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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13 Aug 2012 08:21 |
Yeah I saw this one. If it is though it's not the same one as the death in 1907
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13 Aug 2012 08:27 |
OK I think we can rule out the Tettenhall Charles as he had children late 80's early 90's with Ellen (from the 1887 marriage).
So now need to try and find Charles in 1901
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13 Aug 2012 08:28 |
Charles Jesse Hodgkinson who died in 1907 left his monies to Widow Clara Ellen Hodgkinson....... I don't think that is the right death for this Charles?? :-D
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13 Aug 2012 08:39 |
No I said that it's the wrong Charles.
In the 1911 census for Margaret (widowed) she has completed the married/children bit and then it is crossed out. Years completed for marriage are 3 which suggests that he died in 1902
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13 Aug 2012 09:10 |
I think that this is young Charles in 1911
Name: Charles Hodgkinson Age in 1911: 18 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893 Relation to Head: Servant Gender: Male Birth Place: South America Civil parish: Darwen County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: Bull Hill Farm Darwen Marital Status: Single Occupation: Cow Man On Farm Registration district: Blackburn Registration District Number: 474 Sub-registration district: Darwen ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Piece: 25160 Household Members: Name Age William Albert Holden 30 Rosetta Holden 30 Betsy Alice Holden 3 Florrie Holden 1 Charles Hodgkinson 18
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13 Aug 2012 09:38 |
And the 1881 Charles Hodkinson [Charles Hodgkinson] Age: 15 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866 Relation: Son Father's Name: Thomas Hodkinson Mother's Name: Ellen Hodkinson Gender: Male Where born: Chorley, Lancashire, England Civil parish: Chorley County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street Address: Lord St Education:
Employment status:
View image Occupation: Picture Frame Maker (C & G) Registration district: Chorley
Household Members: Name Age Thomas Hodkinson 41 Ellen Hodkinson 39 Samuel Hodkinson 15 Charles Hodkinson 15 James Hodkinson 14 Wilfrid Hodkinson 10 Ada A. Hodkinson 8 Adelina Mary Hodkinson 6 Annie Hodkinson 3 Ellen Hodkinson 1
It might not help much but it does narrow down the time he left for the US
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13 Aug 2012 09:43 |
1881 Census Household RecordHousehold Information Address Lord Street Parish Chorley District Chorley, Chorley Administrative County Lancashire
Householder 1 Name Thomas Hodkinson Age 41 Estimated Year of Birth 1840 Relationship to Head of Household Head Occupation Insurance Agent Birth Place Whittle Birth County Lancashire
Householder 2 Name Ellen Hodkinson Age 39 Estimated Year of Birth 1842 Relationship to Head of Household Wife Occupation Birth Place Tyldsley Birth County Lancashire
Householder 3 Name Samuel Hodkinson Age 15 Estimated Year of Birth 1866 Relationship to Head of Household Son Occupation Drapers Apprentice Birth Place Chorley Birth County Lancashire
Householder 4 Name Charles Hodkinson Age 15 Estimated Year of Birth 1866 Relationship to Head of Household Son Occupation Picture Frame Maker (C & G) Birth Place Chorley Birth County Lancashire
Householder 5 Name James Hodkinson Age 14 Estimated Year of Birth 1867 Relationship to Head of Household Son Occupation Assistant Warehouse Man In A Cotton Mill Birth Place Chorley Birth County Lancashire
Householder 6 Name Wilfrid Hodkinson Age 10 Estimated Year of Birth 1871 Relationship to Head of Household Son Occupation Scholar Birth Place Chorley Birth County Lancashire
Householder 7 Name Ada A Hodkinson Age 8 Estimated Year of Birth 1873 Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Occupation Scholar Birth Place Hindley Birth County Lancashire
Householder 8 Name Adelina Mary Hodkinson Age 6 Estimated Year of Birth 1875 Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Occupation Scholar Birth Place Hindley Birth County Lancashire
Householder 9 Name Annie Hodkinson Age 3 Estimated Year of Birth 1878 Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Occupation Scholar Birth Place Hindley Birth County Lancashire
Householder 10 Name Ellen Hodkinson Age 1 Estimated Year of Birth 1880 Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Occupation Juvenile Birth Place Hindley Birth County Lancashire
same family as given in 1871 for possible father charles
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13 Aug 2012 09:44 |
There are only 3 Charles Hodgkinsons born 1866 +/- 2 years on the 1881. There are only two on the 1891.
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13 Aug 2012 10:06 |
It seems likely it is Chorley Charles and as Mary Alice was born in USA in 1890, Charles in 1892 and Minnie in 1897 that he emigrated somethime after 1881 and sometime before 1890
He seems to go from a specialised trade of frame maker to labourer though?
Can't find an emigration though
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13 Aug 2012 10:25 |
1891 Census Household RecordHousehold Information Address 44, Ashfield Road Parish Chorley District Chorley, Chorley Administrative County Lancashire
Householder 1 Name Thomas Hodgkinson Age 51 Estimated Year of Birth 1840 Relationship to Head of Household Head Occupation Accountant and Insurance Agent Birth Place Whittle Birth County Lancashire
Householder 2 Name Ellen Hodgkinson Age 49 Estimated Year of Birth 1842 Relationship to Head of Household Wife Occupation Birth Place Bolton Birth County Lancashire
Householder 3 Name Ada Alice Hodgkinson Age 18 Estimated Year of Birth 1873 Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Occupation Dressmaker Birth Place Hindley Birth County Lancashire
Householder 4 Name Adelina M Hodgkinson Age 16 Estimated Year of Birth 1875 Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Occupation Milliner Birth Place Hindley Birth County Lancashire
Householder 5 Name Anne Hodgkinson Age 13 Estimated Year of Birth 1878 Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Occupation Scholar Birth Place Hindley Birth County Lancashire
Householder 6 Name Ellen Hodgkinson Age 11 Estimated Year of Birth 1880 Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Occupation Scholar Birth Place Hindley Birth County Lancashire
Householder 7 Name Emily Hodgkinson Age 9 Estimated Year of Birth 1882 Relationship to Head of Household Daughter Occupation Scholar Birth Place Hindley Birth County Lancashire
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ChristinaS
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13 Aug 2012 11:32 |
This is a couple of years out on the birth year, but it's the only thing I can find on a possible mother, so it may be worth looking at.
Hopefully, someone more capable than myself will copy and paste this.
West Virginia Births Index
Name: M.A. Hodgkinson Birth date: 5 Nov 1888
Father's name: Charles Hodgkinson Age: 24 Birth place: Lancastor County, Eng
Mother's name: Rose Griffith Hodgkinson Age: 27 Birth place: Clarke County, VA
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13 Aug 2012 11:49 |
I was hoping to find Mary A. on the 1911 census, to find out whereabouts she was born, but I can't.
Has anyone else managed to find her?
Does anyone know how to order old birth certificates from the U.S.A?
There doesn't seem to be any useful information on Google.
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ChristinaS
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13 Aug 2012 12:14 |
There's also this one on the West Virginia Births Index
Name: T.W. Hodgkinson Birth date: 15 Jul 1887
Father's name: Chas. Hodgkinson Age: 23 Birth place: Lancasshire, Eng
Morther's name: Martha R. Griffith Hodgkinson Age: 26
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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13 Aug 2012 12:21 |
For interest
Charles Wilfred
Name: Charles W Hodgkinson Age: 39 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893 Arrival Port: Pacific Highway, British Columbia Date of Arrival: 23 Jan 1932 Birth Location: Baltimore, Maryland Gender: Male Citizenship: American
Wife born Stonehouse Devon in 1898
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13 Aug 2012 12:23 |
I know it's not what you're after but here she is in 1901
Name: Blodwen Perkins Age: 3 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: Williams Perkins Mother's Name: Catherine Perkins Gender: Female Where born: Stonehouse, Devon, England Civil parish: Plymouth Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter County/Island: Devon Country: England Street Address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status:
View image Registration district: Plymouth Sub-registration district: St Andrew ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 358 Piece: 2099 Folio: 26 Page Number: 43 Household Members: Name Age Williams Perkins 37 Catherine Perkins 28 William Perkins 10 John Perkins 5 Blodwen Perkins 3
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PollyPoppet
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13 Aug 2012 12:24 |
possible marriage for mary alice
Marriage Record Name Mary A Hoskinson Year of Marriage 1912 Quarter of Marriage Apr-May-Jun Registration District Chorley Registration County Lancashire Spouse's Surname Walsh Volume Number 8E Volume Page 1216 Spouse Match: Mary A HOSKINSON married Henry WALSH Name Henry Walsh Year of Marriage 1912 Quarter of Marriage Apr-May-Jun Registration District Chorley Registration County Lancashire Spouse's Surname Hoskinson Volume Number 8E Volume Page 1216
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13 Aug 2012 12:33 |
this looks like mary alice in 1901
1901 Census Household RecordHousehold information Address Rock Villa Mansion Civil Parish Whittle Le Woods Rural District Chorley Town or Village or Hamlet Whittle Le Woods Ecclesiastical Parish Whittle Le Woods St John Parliamentary Borough or Division Chorley North Lancashire County Borough, Municipal Borough or Urban District Administrative County Lancaster
Householder 1 Name Sarah A Chatwyn Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday 5 Sex Female Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Lanc Bury Language Infirmity
Householder 2 Name Ada Alice Dean Relation to Head of Family Head Condition as to Marriage Single Age Last Birthday 26 Sex Female Profession or Occupation Matron In Home For Orphans Employment Status Where Born Lanc Flixton Mancts Language Infirmity
Householder 3 Name Jessie Drake Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday 8 Sex Female Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born London Language Infirmity
Householder 4 Name Maude Drake Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday 6 Sex Female Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born London Language Infirmity
Householder 5 Name Susan Griffiths Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Single Age Last Birthday 15 Sex Female Profession or Occupation Doing General Housework Employment Status Where Born Lanc Liverpool Language Infirmity
Householder 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.. Name Mary A Hodgkinson Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday 10 Sex Female Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born U S A Brittish Subject Language Infirmity
Householder 7 Name Isabel Olkam Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday 10 Sex Female Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Lancs Manchester Language Infirmity
Householder 8 Name Amelia Pilkinson Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday 9 Sex Female Profession or Occupation Employment Status Where Born Lanc Chorley Language Infirmity
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HeyJudeB4Beatles
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13 Aug 2012 12:36 |
That's posted earlier PP but it's not as nicely set out :-)
Can't find her in 1911 though
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PollyPoppet
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13 Aug 2012 12:48 |
ok lol im losing the plot here i cant seem to find her in 1911 either :-D
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13 Aug 2012 12:56 |
I have tried searching without surname in 1911 in case she was adopted/taken in by a family and took their name but to no avail.
Even wondered if she might have gone back to America but not finding her
Marriage of Hoskinson looks a possibility but it is coming up as Hoskinson but it IS Mary Alice
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1912 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference WALSH Henry HOSKINSON Mary Alice Chorley Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston RO/38/161
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