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Janice

Janice Report 4 Aug 2012 23:07

There are 2 Wills MMN Willie births on freeBMD in 1913 and 1915 so is your dad missing or older than you think?!!

patchem

patchem Report 4 Aug 2012 23:05

Do you know where they were living in 1924?
Thanks

Janice

Janice Report 4 Aug 2012 23:01

From Maureen:

Hi, Thanks for all your help it says on the marriage cert of Ilma Kathleem and John George, that he divorced Beatrice, I did not know that he had been married before, a fact which my dad who is 95 does not know, also that there was a daughter from Beatrice. I also cannot find a deathcert for John George, my dad seems to remember him dying when he was a small boy around 1924/25 as Ilma my dads' mum asked the Railway Benevolent Fund for financial help as she was left on her own with to boys to bring up.

Janice

Janice Report 4 Aug 2012 22:07

Here's Catherine in 1881. Says married not widow but she's not with John on census night

Name: Catherine Wills
Age: 68
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1813
Relation: Mother
Gender: Female
Where born: St Helena, South Africa

Civil parish: St George
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street Address: 2 Market Street
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Bootmakers Wife

Registration district: Chelsea
Sub-registration district: Mayfair
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 97
Folio: 27
Page Number: 19
Household Members:
Name Age
Edward Wills 41
Louisa Wills 37
Edward C. Wills
Mary Ann Chapman 34
Catherine Wills 68

Janice

Janice Report 4 Aug 2012 21:54

Here's Albert's 2nd marriage

Name: Albert Wills
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Spouse Name: Maud Mary Fry
Spouse Age: 27
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 16 Apr 1892
Parish: Parsons Green St Dionis
Borough: Hammersmith and Fulham
Father Name: John Wills
Spouse Father Name: Robert Charles Fry
Register Type: Parish Register

Christine

Christine Report 4 Aug 2012 21:47

If Probate was granted to Albert Wills could he not be acting as Executor?

Janice

Janice Report 4 Aug 2012 21:39

Wonder if Elizabeth died in childbirth:

Deaths Mar 1891
Wills Albert Charles 0 Fulham 1a 263
Wills Elizabeth Agnes 23 Fulham 1a 261
Wills Joseph Stephen 0 Fulham 1a 262

Janice

Janice Report 4 Aug 2012 21:37

Name: Albert Wills
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Agnes Parkhurst
Spouse Age: 19 with consent
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 3 Aug 1886
Parish: Chelsea St Luke
Borough: Kensington and Chelsea
Father Name: John Wills deceased
Spouse Father Name: Charles Parkhurst deceased
Register Type: Parish Register

Janice

Janice Report 4 Aug 2012 21:28

Maud is not his first wife. In the 1891 census, Albert is a widower and Violet is 4.

Name: Albert Wills
Age: 32
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: St Georges, London, England

Civil parish: Fulham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Dionis Backchurch
County/Island: London
Registration district: Fulham
Sub-registration district: Fulham

Albert Wills 32
Violet E Wills 4
Harriet L Eastmond 32

Astra

Astra Report 4 Aug 2012 21:24

The Albert Wills who George left his money to in his will appears to be his brother. How very strange

WILLS, Albert Head Married M 52 1859 School Master St George Hanover Sq Mayfair London VIEW
WILLS, Maud Mary Wife Married19 years F 46 1865 City of London VIEW
WILLS, Violet E Daughter Single F 24 1887 School Mistress Fulham London VIEW
WILLS, Ivy V M Daughter Single F 14 1897 Fulham London VIEW
SEARLE, Elaine R Servant Single F 21 1890 Tilbury London VIEW


RG number: RG14 Piece: 342 Reference: RG14PN342 RG78PN11 RD3 SD5 ED5 SN254 Registration District: Fulham Sub District: South Fulham Enumeration District: 5 Parish: Fulham Address: 64 Oxberry Avenue Fulham County: London

Janice

Janice Report 4 Aug 2012 20:40

1861


1861 England Census about John Mills
Name: John Mills
[John Wills]
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1807
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Catherine Wills
Gender: Male
Where born: Spitalfields, Middlesex, England
Civil parish: St George Hanover Square
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub-registration district: May Fair

John Mills 54 bootmaker born Spitalfields
Catherine Wills 48 born St Helena
Henry Wills 23
Edward Wills 21
John J Wills 12
Catherine Wills 8
Albert Wills 2
John W Massey 16

K

K Report 4 Aug 2012 20:22

This may be of interest in the future if it is the right family

John Wills - Spitalfields - (London - Middlesex)
I am trying to trace the parents of John Wills born c1807-1810 he married Catherine Swain on St Helena in 1831 where they had at least two children before returning to London to have several more children. One of the children born in St Helena was George Wills c1835 who is listed on one of the census as a Police Inspector. Can anyone help me?

http://www.curiousfox.com/history/middlesex_77.html

Mary

Mary Report 4 Aug 2012 20:08

If you have the marriage cert for John george then maybe you can compere the signature to the 1911 census to see if they are the same guy.

Daisy Beatrice Mary Wills 1897 married 20/7/1918 naming dad as John George Wills a Clerk.
Her address at the time was 18,Portsea Place.



Maryb.

Astra

Astra Report 4 Aug 2012 18:05

That's what made me ask because I think that this is Beatrice Annie's death

Deaths Jun 1928 (>99%)
Wills Beatrice A 50 Lambeth 1d 221

Unless they separated after 1911 and his 2nd marriage was bigamous

What's interesting is that Ilma was a barmaid at the Railway Hotel in Croydon and the John George we have found worked for the railways.

Janice

Janice Report 4 Aug 2012 17:50

Something isn't adding up here unless Ilma is wife number 2. However, I can't find a death for Beatrice.

Astra

Astra Report 4 Aug 2012 17:48

Hi Maureen

Can you tall us what John George's occupation and his age was when he married please and his marital status.

Think we may have the wrong person here.

Janice

Janice Report 4 Aug 2012 17:40

oops - beaten to it!

Janice

Janice Report 4 Aug 2012 17:39

1881

Name: George Wills
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Wills
Gender: Male
Where born: St Helena

Civil parish: Ealing
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: High Street Police Station
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Inspector Of Police

Registration district: Brentford
Sub-registration district: Brentford
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 1344
Folio: 81
Page Number: 8
Household Members:
Name Age
George Wills 46
Mary Ann Wills 49
John George Wills 6
Albert Goodwin 24

Astra

Astra Report 4 Aug 2012 17:31

Here is Georges Baptism for you

parents: John Wills,? Catherine Wills
name: George Wills
gender: Male
baptism/christening date: 26 Apr 1835
baptism/christening place: Saint Helena
birth date: 28 Mar 1835
father's name: John Wills
mother's name: Catherine Wills
indexing project (batch) number: C01077-3
system origin: Saint Helena-EASy
source film number: 498605

PollyPoppet

PollyPoppet Report 4 Aug 2012 17:29

1911 Census Household RecordHousehold information
Address 39 Albany Road West Ealing W
Parish Ealing
Town West Ealing W
Type of Building Private House
Number of Rooms 7
Inhabited Y
Reference RG14PN6878 RG78PN343A RD128 SD4 ED11 SN170
Administrative County Middlesex
Registration District Brentford
Registration Sub District Brentford
Enumeration District 11

Householder 1
Name George Thomas Wills
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Condition / Years Married Married / 15 Years
Total Children Born Alive 2
Children Still Living 2
Gender M
Age 40
Estimated Year of Birth 1871
Occupation Police Constable
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Bucking Essex

Householder 2
Name Alice Maud Wills
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Condition / Years Married Married / 15 Years
Gender F
Age 39
Estimated Year of Birth 1872
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Poplar

Householder 3
Name George Horeton Wills
Relationship to Head of Household Son
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender M
Age 14
Estimated Year of Birth 1897
Occupation Labourer
Employed Y
Working at Home Y
Industry Electric Lighting
Place of Birth Ealing Middlesex

Householder 4
Name Florence Maud Wills
Relationship to Head of Household Daughter
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender F
Age 12
Estimated Year of Birth 1899
Occupation At School
Employed Y
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Ealing Middlesex

Householder 5
Name Charles P Tilly
Relationship to Head of Household Boarder
Condition / Years Married Single
Gender M
Age 54
Estimated Year of Birth 1857
Occupation Clerk
Employed Y
Working at Home N

Householder 6
Name Mary Ann Fuller
Relationship to Head of Household Boarder
Condition / Years Married Widow
Gender F
Age 92
Estimated Year of Birth 1819
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Dover

Householder 7
Name Eliza Taylor
Relationship to Head of Household Visitor
Condition / Years Married Widow
Gender F
Age 51
Estimated Year of Birth 1860
Employed N
Working at Home N
Place of Birth Dover