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Hi Kucinta

Yes that Chatham christening for Eliza Cosson certainly seems to fit the Eliza married to William. The James Cosson marriage looks likely too. All the dates seem to fit in nicely too

Thank you for finding them for me

J-A

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Not sure about this marriage?


Name: James Cosson
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Age:
Spouse's Name: Mary Boughton
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Age:
Event Date: 13 Dec 1790
Event Place: Hascombe,Surrey,England
Father's Name:
Mother's Name:
Spouse's Father's Name:
Spouse's Mother's Name:
Race:
Marital Status:
Previous Wife's Name:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M13528-2
System Origin: England-ODM
GS Film number: 991754
Reference ID:

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Census 1851:

Name: Eliza Thomson
Age: 44
Estimated birth year: abt 1807<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William Thomson
Gender: Female
Where born: Chatham, Kent, England<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Civil Parish: Poplar
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Household Members:
Name Age
William Thomson 44
Eliza Thomson 44
Mary A Thomson 6
William Thomson 4

Christening?

England & Wales Christening Records, 1530-1906
Name: Eliza Ann Cosson<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Gender: Female
Christening Date: 5 Oct 1806
Christening Place: Chatham, Kent, England
Father's Name: James Cosson<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Mother's name: Mary

Tallies with father's name on the 1843 marriage to William Thompson that Maureen posted.

Wow MaureenNY, you always find the good stuff! Thank you

I don't currently have Ancestry - but when I have something specific can get to the Library to check it out. I ordered my Mary Ann Eliza birth cert (estimated despatch was 11/4/14) which wasn't issued until 16/4/14 - so must have had a problem reading it at GRO.

So it looks like it could be MMN Cosson and not Carson. I'd wondered if it might have been Cannon as some appear earlier in the thread on a census, will be able to try to follow up the Cosson connection (quite like the name Cosson, it is a bit different for a change)

Thank you

J-A

Oh!
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about John Nutburn
Name: John Nutburn
Spouse Name: Eliza Cosson
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 28 Apr 1833
Parish: Bethnal Green St Matthew
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Register Type: Parish Register

Maureen

I forget if you have access to Ancestry:
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about William Thompson
Name: William Thompson Occ:Mariner
Spouse Name: Eliza Ann Kulburn
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 25 Mar 1843
Parish: Christ Church, Watney Street
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Thompson
Spouse Father: James Cosson
Register Type: Parish Register

She's a widow and I really can't make out what her married name was.

Maureen

Back to the Thomsons!!

Much earlier on this thread I had Mary Ann Eliza Thomson - born circa 1845 according to Census info. I had the choice from 3 possibles in 1845

Mary Ann Eliza Thomson - St George in the East - Mar 1845 (most likely)
Mary Ann Eliza Thomson - Chelsea - Dec 1845
Mary Ann Eliza ThomPson - Stepney - Sep 1845

I sent for a cert (GRO check) and received one which seems to fit with the information - it is the March 1845 cert, father named as William Thomson (Mariner), mother Eliza Ann Thomson, formerly Carson - so looks like it is the correct one, and supports the information already provided by helpers on this thread.

So what is my problem? I am stuck again - I cannot find a marriage - is anyone else able to find one anywhere please?

J-A

Nasty stuff - must have been awful working with it

One of the ingredients of matches was white phosphorus which was very dangerous. If you Google there is quite a lot about it.

Hi Potty

Thank you so much for looking - and finding them for me! Yes, 9 children and only Henry alive in 1911. Also the 1901 gives me another one of the other 8 deceased children, hoped it might - one was also called Reuben, so I know the names of 3 of the 9. I think Eliza was the one who worked at the the match factory, who knows if that had an effect on her babies.

J-A

Here they are - it says Rube on the image; living at 55 Barchester Street with Martha Venner and son Sidney, both b Cornwall:
Eliza Smith
Age:29
Estimated birth year:abt 1872
Relation to Head:Wife
Spouse:Ruba Smith
Birth Place:Poplar, London, England
Civil Parish:Bromley
Ecclesiastical parish:St Gabriel Bromley
Town:London

Ruba Smith 28
Eliza Smith 29
Henry Smith 6
Kate Smith 1 Month

I see from the 1911 that they had 9 children and only Henry has survived - how sad!

Good Evening

I am still unable to get any further with Robert William Smith (c1830) and Jane McKenzie Nelson (c1832), so am trying to fill in gaps with the Smiths I have.

Of their 3 offspring, Henry George (1866), Robert William (1870) and Reuben (Ruben) John (1873) I have located them on most Census returns - with the exception of Reuben John Smith 1873 in 1901 Census. I have him before and after but just cannot locate him on the 1901.

In 1891 he is at 100 Barchester Street in Poplar, he married Eliza Branch in 1894 (from Broomfield Street, Poplar) and is at 55 Barchester Street, Poplar for the 1911 Census with his wife Eliza (1872) and son Henry George (1896). So where was he (and Eliza and son Henry George) in 1901?

Any help gratefully received, thank you

J-A

Update and Summary for Info:

My Post at 15:46 on 31/8/2012 looking for the marriage of Jane McKenzie Nelson to William Smith – is still eluding me, so my current thinking is that it was a ‘marriage’ without a ceremony.

I had hoped that obtaining the death certificate of their grandson Reuben in 1905 (son of Robert William Smith and Eliza Ann Smith formerly Thompson) might, just might, give me a clue as it was registered in Woolwich, perhaps an address or the informant’s name. Sadly not – the death was registered by Reuben’s father Robert William Smith (1870-1933), Reuben died aged 3 – Scarlet Fever in Brook Hospital (had hoped it might have been in his grandparent's home to give me a clue). So I am still stuck in the maze with these Smiths.

Ah well, ……………………

I have just received the 1953 death cert for Eliza - Wrong one, so back to the drawing board!

So the 1933 Death Cert for Robert William Smith arrived today - well done and thank you to Choccy - it is absolutely him. All details tie up exactly - name, age, occupation and address and the informant (daughter). He died in January 1933 - which is a complete shock to his grandson (my Dad) as he has a very vivid memory of his Granddad and is amazed that the death was so early in the '30's.

Now just have to wait for the 1953 Cert to see if I have the correct one for Eliza Ann Smith.

Thank you

J-A

As I am waiting for the Death Certificate for Robert Smith to arrive (hopefully the correct one) I thought I might as well try to find Eliza Smith’s Death Cert too.

To recap: after Robert Smith died and their home in Devas Street was bombed Eliza (born 1876) went to live with her daughter, so I am anticipating that it will be one of these Essex certs:

Deaths Mar 1945 (>99%)

SMITH Eliza A 67 W Ham 4a 47

or

Deaths Jun 1949 (>99%)

Smith Eliza A 74 Essex S.W. 5a 121


or

Deaths Sep 1953 (>99%)

SMITH Eliza A 77 Ilford 5a 245


I was inclined towards the 1945 West Ham one, then the 1949 Essex SW one, but the age at death for the 1953 Ilford one agrees more closely to YOB!

Just wondering if anyone can see her as Eliza Ann Smith on any ERs so that I can make a more informed choice please? If not, might try the 1953 Cert.

Thank you

J-A

Thanks will let you know what it says when it arrives

EDIT: Update: Just told his grandson that it must have been a much earlier death (1933) than we had originally concluded - which means that his memory of his grandfather could have been one of his earliest childhood memories. Need to get the cert now to check out that aspect!

Hope it's money well spent :-)

Do let us know.

Hi wisechild

Thank you, it is looking very likely that it is the 1933 then. Compounding the problem though is that my Dad said he remembers his grandfather - and a few childhood war memories so I'd worked on Robert William (Snr) being alive probably until WW2 and maybe for a while during but not after. Will apply for the 1933 one

It´s worth remembering that the info for the Electoral Rolls is collected months in advance.
My grandfather appears on the roll 18 months after he died in the mid 50s.
Try looking any time after about 1930.