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Edann
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10 Jul 2012 11:45 |
I am anxious to trace information on the family detaild below; particularly the brothers of 3rd son Thomas (C below)
Patritii Hall was born (date unknown).
Patritii Hall and Mariae Tully were married about 1831 in Roscommon, Ireland. Mariae Tully was born in Roscommon, Ireland. Patritii Hall and Mariae Tully had the following children:
A. Foster Hall was born circa 1832 in Roscommon, Ireland.1 He was baptized on 12 Feb 1832 in St. Peter's, Athlone and Drum, Roscommon, Ireland.
B. Georgeus Hall was born circa 1834 in Roscommon, Ireland.1 He was baptized in Ireland.
C. Thomas Hall was born on 1 Jun 1836 in Coolderry, Ballinasloe, Roscommon, Ireland. He was baptized after 1 Jun 1836 in Roscommon, Ireland.
D. Patritius Hall was born circa 1838 in Roscommon, Ireland. He was baptized on 26 Aug 1838 in St. Peter's, Athlone and Drum, Roscommon, Ireland.
Thomas Hall born 1838 (above) married: Jane Kelly was born circa 1849 in Ireland. Thomas Hall and Jane Kelly had the following child:
1. Thomas Hall was born in 1878 in Ireland. He lived in 11 Communion St., Haslingden, Rossendale, Lancashire, UK on 2 Apr 1911.
Thomas Hall and Sarah Jane Foley were married on 20 Aug 1903 in St Joseph's R.C Church, Ramsbottom, Lancs, ENG. Sarah Jane Foley, daughter of John Foley and Julia , was born in Apr 1878 in Ramsbottom, Lancashire, England. She lived in Tottington Lower End, Lancashire, England in 1881. She lived in Tottington Lower End, Lancashire, England in 1891. Sarah lived in 11 Communion St., Haslingden, Rossendale, Lancashire, UK on 2 Apr 1911. She died on 19 May 1911 at the age of 33 in 11 Communion St., Haslingden, Rossendale, Lancashire, UK.
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Eringobragh1916
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10 Jul 2012 12:21 |
Edann Just to clarify its
Foster George Patrick
You are particularly wanting to find info .on...?
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GlasgowLass
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10 Jul 2012 12:32 |
Based on the bapt for these children, looks like Foster Hall possibly married Maria Cullen ?
Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911 about Patricius Hall Name: Patricius Hall Gender: Male Baptism Date: 18 Apr 1858 Baptism Place: Roman Catholic, St Peters Athlone and Drum, Roscommon, Ireland Father's Name: Foster Hall Mother's name: Mariae Cullen FHL Film Number: 989750
Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911 about Maria Hall Name: Maria Hall Gender: Female Birth Date: 4 Jun 1860 Birth Place: Drum, Roscommon, Ireland Father's Name: Foster Hall Mother's name: Mariae Cullen FHL Film Number: 989750
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Eringobragh1916
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10 Jul 2012 14:00 |
Edann....
Looks like Foster Hall and Mary Cullen may have emigrated....although the date of Maries birth is not corresponding...
Groom's Name: Martin Hogan Groom's Birth Date: 1868 Groom's Birthplace: Dalysfor, Victoria Groom's Age: 36 Bride's Name: Mary Hall Bride's Birth Date: 1869 Bride's Birthplace: Ipswich, Queensland Bride's Age: 35 Marriage Date: 29 Sep 1904 Marriage Place: Narrandera, New South Wales, Australia Groom's Father's Name: Patrick Hogan Groom's Mother's Name: Johannah Ryan Bride's Father's Name: Foster Hall *** Bride's Mother's Name: Maria Cullen *****
There is also another marriage for a Kate...(same parents names)...would need to look further at this but worth keeping until eliminated.
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Eringobragh1916
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10 Jul 2012 14:06 |
Marriage of Foster Hall and Marie...
Groom's Name: Foster Hall
Bride's Name: Maria Cullen Marriage Date: 07 Mar 1857 Marriage Place: St. Peter'S Athlonen, Westmeath, Ireland
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GlasgowLass
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10 Jul 2012 14:53 |
WOW! Looks like Eringobragh is spot on! Just 2 Irish births followed by these. All in Australia, including a second child named Mary. I guess the first died in infacy? This family must have moved from Ireland to Queensland, then onto Victoria... which corresponds with info on the marriage of daughter Mary (2)
Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922 about Catherine Hall Name: Catherine Hall Birth Date: 1 Jun 1864 Father's Name: Foster Hall Mother's name: Mary Cullen Birth Place: Queensland Registration Year: 1864 Registration Place: Queensland Page Number: 5925 Registration number: 000658
Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922 about Thomas Hall Name: Thomas Hall Birth Date: 15 May 1866 Father's Name: Foster Hall Mother's name: Mary Cullen Birth Place: Queensland Registration Year: 1866 Registration Place: Queensland Page Number: 5950 Registration number: 001220 Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922 about Mary Anne Hall Name: Mary Anne Hall Birth Date: 28 Apr 1868 Father's Name: Foster Hall Mother's name: Mary Cullen Birth Place: Queensland Registration Year: 1868 Registration Place: Queensland Page Number: 5945 Registration number: 000591 Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922 about Patrick Hall Name: Patrick Hall Birth Date: 25 Mar 1870 Father's Name: Foster Hall Mother's name: Maria Cullane Birth Place: Queensland Registration Year: 1870 Registration Place: Queensland Registration number: 003325
Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922 about George Hall Name: George Hall Father's Name: Foster Hall Mother's name: Mary Cullen Birth Place: Benalla, Victoria Registration Year: 1872 Registration Place: Victoria Registration number: 14258 Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922 about James Hall Name: James Hall Father's Name: Foster Hall Mother's name: Mary Cullan Birth Place: Dookie, Victoria Registration Year: 1877 Registration Place: Victoria Registration number: 21762 Australia Birth Index, 1788-1922 about Ellen Maria Hall Name: Ellen Maria Hall Father's Name: James Foster Hall Mother's name: Maria Cullan Birth Place: Khul, Victoria Registration Year: 1883 Registration Place: Victoria Registration number: 17613
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Eringobragh1916
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10 Jul 2012 15:32 |
Anne...I am still not sure as there was a Patrick b 1858 and Marie 1860 Reg. Roscommon...However these children may have died and further same names applied to subsequent children later...The Christian name of the father .."Foster" is suspect and I would be inclined to think the Birth (listed above ) for Marie 1883 as James "Foster" Hall is more likely..! An Immigration Passenger List to Aus.is needed ....
Edann...Just in case you havent this info.
Have found the following for Thomas and Jane Kelly.
Thomas Hall married Jane Kelly ( daughter of John Kelly) on 8th October 1865.Reg Ballinasloe Dont know if they married in Moore RC Chapel (Most likely) ... Jane was from Moore...(abt 2mls from Ballin.on the road to Athlone...
Have found ? some of their children....
Jane .b 1868 Creagh Theresa b 1870 Cath.b.1873 Eliz. b. 1875......There is a marriage of an Eliz. same birth date b Ire. (same parents names) to an Andrew Cunningham 11 July 1905 Boston. Are these names familiar to you..?
Do you know if Thomas emigrated after death of Sarah Foley...?
I think this is probably Jane Kelly's parents and a brother...1901 Census
Residents of a house 8 in Moore North (Moore, Roscommon)
Kelly John 75 Male Head of Family R Catholic Co Roscommon Farmer Cannot read - Married Rheumatism Kelly Anne 62 Female Wife R Catholic Co Roscommon - Read and write - Married - Kelly John 27 Male Son R Catholic Not married.
1911 shows John jnr. at No 7 married to Brid.and with a young family....both parents appear to have died.
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GlasgowLass
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10 Jul 2012 16:37 |
Found this Parents names correspond to Foster Hall s/o Patrick Hall and Mary Tully This man died on 6 Jun 1899 aged 69. This makes his approx year of birth 1830/1. His daughter Mary placed a memorium in The Sydney Morning Herald on his 1st anniversary. If this is the correct man, then he has moved again. This time to NSW?? Foster Hall that Edann is looking for was baptised in Feb 1832.
Australia Death Index, 1787-1985 about Foster Hall Name: Foster Hall Death Date: 1899 Death Place: New South Wales Father's Name: Patrick Mother's name: Mary Registration Year: 1899 Registration Place: Narrandera, New South Wales Registration number: 6505
Edit: Forgive my stupidity but only just realised that daughter Mary married in NSW, which accounts for her father's death in NSW Anne
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GlasgowLass
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10 Jul 2012 16:53 |
The only travel that I can find for anyone called Foster Hall is this: Internal sailing from Brisbane to Sydney There were only 3 people in this party. Foster, Patrick and Mary No other info.
All Immigration & Travel ResultsNew South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922 about Foster Hall Name: Foster Hall Port of Departure: Brisbane Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales Voyage Arrival Date: 18 Jan 1867 Vessel Name: City Of Brisbane
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Eringobragh1916
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10 Jul 2012 18:21 |
Anne...You have done wonders...what do you suppose is the probability of 2 "Foster" Halls' married to 2 Marie Cullens with the same named children is..? Do wish Edann would get back to add some comment....!! I dont have other than basic and old "collected Irish data" to use so lots of it from my end is pure detective work....
George is proving elusive at the moment....
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GlasgowLass
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10 Jul 2012 18:35 |
I cannot believe that there were 2 men called Foster Hall and BOTH had wives called Mary Cullen! I can only assume that one or both of the Irish born children died. I am looking for deaths, both in Ireland and in Australia but it is the preverbial needle in a haystack. Loads of possible deaths but no parents names. Grrr
My reckoning is that Foster was 68yrs old at time of death, uless he was more than a year old when he was baptized.... not likely.
( My dad's headstone says he died aged 72 but he was only 71, just shows that my family can't count either!)
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Eringobragh1916
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10 Jul 2012 18:52 |
Got back to marriage of Patrick Hall and Marie Tully...Edann's dates are wrong...
Married St Peters Athlone 1831 which would account for first child recorded Baptism..Foster Hall 1832
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GlasgowLass
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10 Jul 2012 19:00 |
Just thinking about this..... Foster Hall and Mary Cullen married in 1857. Foster would be 25yrs old. How old was Mary? There does seem to be 2-3yrs between most children, until we get to the last two. There is 5yrs between George and James but ana another 5 or so between James and Ellen Maria
If Mary Cullen was a similar same age to her husband, it would make her about 50yrs old at time of Ellen Maria's birth. My thinking is that Mary was a bit younger than Foster. Would you agree?
Anne
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10 Jul 2012 19:56 |
Anne..If the records are anything to go by..(Tongue in cheek) she was Baptised 1817...St Peters Athlone...!! Unless there is a generation missing but that would mean lots of children missing also... Need to get Edann to clarify where he got a marriage abt.1820 from...?
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GlasgowLass
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10 Jul 2012 20:15 |
BINGO! There is another tree on ANC. The family emigrated in 1862 Mary 1st b 1860 died at sea ( enroute) on 1 Apr 1862 from Scarletina This looks right!
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Eringobragh1916
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10 Jul 2012 21:02 |
Persistance pays dividends Anne...!!
Have just thought I wonder if Edann knows to come back to the thread...This is his first post...??????
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GlasgowLass
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10 Jul 2012 23:46 |
The tree I found on Anc... it doesn't lead anywhere? The family of Foster and Mary are there, but there is no ancestry or descendants. Just some (not all) of the children The only extra piece of info refers to the child called Mary, born in Ireland and died at sea 1862? I don't know why they are in this tree.
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Edann
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11 Jul 2012 05:34 |
Eringobragh1916... Yes I am particularly interested in Foster George Patrick
All were, I believe, brothers of Thomas Hall who was born on 1 Jun 1836 in Coolderry, Ballinasloe, was my Great-grandfather. I do have the descendants of Thomas but would like to find information on his brothers.
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Edann
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11 Jul 2012 05:49 |
Eringobragh1916 and Anne..
Many thanks for all the info you have supplied. I will try to digest it all and post further info as soon as i can.
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Edann
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11 Jul 2012 07:00 |
Eringobragh1916 and Anne..
estimated date of marriage of Patritii Hall and Mariae Tully has now been revised in original post. i cannot trace where the original estimate of 1820 came from. :-|
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